Your own government doesnt trust you

[MetalMilitia]

You're on your way to work in the morning and place a call on your wireless phone. As your call is relayed by the wireless tower, it is also relayed by another series of towers to a microwave antenna on top of Mount Weather between Leesburg and Winchester, Virginia and then beamed to another antenna on top of an office building in Arlington where it is recorded on a computer hard drive.

The computer also records you phone digital serial number, which is used to identify you through your wireless company phone bill that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency already has on record as part of your permanent file.

A series of sophisticated computer programs listens to your phone conversation and looks for "keywords" that suggest suspicious activity. If it picks up those words, an investigative file is opened and sent to the Department of Homeland Security.

Congratulations. Big Brother has just identified you as a potential threat to the security of the United States because you might have used words like "take out" (as in taking someone out when you were in fact talking about ordering takeout for lunch) or "D-Day" (as in deadline for some nefarious activity when you were talking about going to the new World War II Memorial to recognize the 60th anniversary of D-Day).

If you are lucky, an investigator at DHS will look at the entire conversation in context and delete the file. Or he or she may keep the file open even if they realize the use of words was innocent. Or they may decide you are, indeed, a threat and set up more investigation, including a wiretap on your home and office phones, around-the-clock surveillance and much closer looks at your life.

Welcome to America, 2004, where the actions of more than 150 million citizens are monitored 24/7 by the TIA, the Terrorist Information Awareness (originally called Total Information Awareness) program of DARPA, DHS and the Department of Justice.

Although Congress cut off funding for TIA last year, the Bush Administration ordered the program moved into the Pentagons "black bag" budget, which is neither authorized nor reviewed by the Hill. DARPA also increased the use of private contractors to get around privacy laws that would restrict activities by federal employees.

Six months of interviews with security consultants, former DARPA employees, privacy experts and contractors who worked on the TIA facility at 3701 Fairfax Drive in Arlington reveal a massive snooping operation that is capable of gathering "in real time " vast amounts of information on the day to day activities of ordinary Americans.

Going on a trip? TIA knows where you are going because your train, plane or hotel reservations are forwarded automatically to the DARPA computers. Driving? Every time you use a credit card to purchase gas, a record of that transaction is sent to TIA which can track your movements across town or across the country.

Use a computerized transmitter to pay tolls? TIA is notified every time that transmitter passes through a toll booth. Likewise, that lunch you paid for with your VISA becomes part of your permanent file, along with your credit report, medical records, driving record and even your TV viewing habits.

Subscribers to the DirecTV satellite TV service should know, but probably dont,that every pay-per-view movie they order is reported to TIA as is any program they record using a TIVO recording system. If they order an adult film from any of DirecTVs three SpiceTV channels, that information goes to TIA and is, as a matter of policy, forwarded to the Department of Justice?s special task force on pornography.

'We have a police state far beyond anything George Orwell imagined in his book 1984," says privacy expert Susan Morrissey. "The everyday lives of virtually every American are under scrutiny 24-hours-a-day by the government."

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Everywhere you go, you are looked at, questioned, poked, prodded. Do you not care that you are being watched, even in the most mediocre of your daily tasks? Pretty soon every town will come up with an idea like Baltimore.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loc...ocal-headlines

Putting cameras everywhere, watching you, keeping tabs on you. Most of these threads are dismissed as paranoia, but do you really want someone to know what you are doing?

I know others will say "what's the problem if you have nothing to hide?"

Well, I think that's bullshit. It's my life, my privacy. They don't need to know what I am doing, where I am going, I go about my daily life. So long as everything I do is perfectly legal, it's none of 'their' damn business.

Nevertheless, they are watching you.

-MM-

[DarkAce]

and...?

Everywhere you go, you are looked at, questioned, poked, prodded.

You try to demonize the actual reality of why these things take place, and attempt to compare us to cattle or some other kind of animal, without even giving a plausible alternative to how to go about things effectively? Bravo...

Do you not care that you are being watched, even in the most mediocre of your daily tasks?

Does it matter, really? Does it directly influence you or affect your life drastically? Do you have to make life changes because of these things? If not then what's the big f**king deal?

Well, I think that's bullshit. It's my life, my privacy. They don't need to know what I am doing, where I am going, I go about my daily life.

Well boo freakin hoo. Do you think your insignificant life or any of ours in this matter is really that important? Make a clear distinction here, your country and government isn't here to wipe your ass for you and make freinds with you.

So long as everything I do is perfectly legal, it's none of 'their' damn business.

You just gave reason to why these things are implicated. How does one know what you're doing is legal, if you don't want any monitering?

[MetalMilitia]

Trust. And they don't trust their own citizens anymore.

Where do you draw the line between invasion of privacy and 'security.' This is also about harassment. If you are picked up for saying the wrong thing over the net, or on te phone, you will be grilled, and some people have had their lives ruined because of this.

I don't have a plan for how to seperate who's a threat, and who isn't, but I don't think its warranted to spy on your own citizens like they are.

Make a clear distinction here, your country and government isn't here to wipe your ass for you and make freinds with you.

Not like I have a choice in paying them now do I? Do I come across as unpatriotic, or unAmerican to you? Somone asked me why I live here....

Assuming that I am "anti-American" and hate this country. I live here because I was born here. That's a good start I think. I reside here also because it's the greatest country in the world. It's such a wonderful country that I am allowed to think for myself, express myself and call a spade a spade. I need not fear of retriubtion if I express an opinion contrary to the normal flow of things. Well at least I'm still somewhat free in GW nation.

What transpires later remains to be seen.

I will open my mouth, as all good citizens should. To stand silent is cowardice.

-MM-

[SeekNDestroy]

Trust. And they don't trust their own citizens anymore.

Perhaps they should trust everyone absolutely and close the FBI. Who cares if there's another 9/11 as long as we're trusted?

Where do you draw the line between invasion of privacy and 'security.' This is also about harassment. If you are picked up for saying the wrong thing over the net, or on te phone, you will be grilled, and some people have had their lives ruined because of this.

You draw the line where it causes more harm than good. You may be able to give a few examples of people who's lives have been badly affected by this, but it's not hard to give examples of thousands who've died because there isn't enough monitoring going on.

Do you honestly believe the FBI starts harassing everyone that says 'take out'? And if there's so little freedom, how come you're able to spend so much time insulting the government?

[MetalMilitia]

And if there's so little freedom, how come you're able to spend so much time insulting the government?

It's my job.

-MM-

[Strife]

MetalMilitia's name says it all.

[Conservative Front]

Do you expect our government to trust us? With lack of morals and people making bombs in there attics. Perhaps the true key to getting the government off our backs isn't with Protest and crying but to conform to a Moral driven society that our country should be. Indiviual Rights? sure to an extent but things like Drugs,Sex,etc... should be monitored I don't believe people have the right to do whatever they please there has to be a line Sure its extreme now but if We reformed to a Moral driven Constitional Based society we wouldn't have to worry about this grand government watching us.


Theres no government like less government and the only way to achieve that is through reform.

[Maleko]

Originally Posted by Conservative Front

Do you expect our government to trust us? With lack of morals and people making bombs in there attics. Perhaps the true key to getting the government off our backs isn't with Protest and crying but to conform to a Moral driven society that our country should be.

Moral driven? Please define morale behavior. Are we talking Christian morals? Who gets to decide what is moral and what isn't? What if I am not a christian (or whatever standard you use)? What if my moral standards differ from yours? Who is right?

Originally Posted by Conservative Front

Indiviual Rights? sure to an extent but things like Drugs,Sex,etc... should be monitored I don't believe people have the right to do whatever they please there has to be a line Sure its extreme now but if We reformed to a Moral driven Constitional Based society we wouldn't have to worry about this grand government watching us.

First off, You (nor anyone else) have NO right to tell me what I can or cannot do in the privacy of my own home. If I want to have sex with 100 consenting adults 7 days a week (and can find willing participants) what business is it of yours? Or the governements? Am I hurting you by sleeping with every available woman? Am I hurting the Government by this action? To both I say a resounding NO!

Secondly, if the government is monitoring drug use, sexual activity, etc, then how can you say that we wouldn't have to worry about the govt. watching us. How exactly do you suggest they "monitor" these activities without watching the people?

Lastly, you say that there has to be a line. I suggest a quite clear, quite simple line. I do whatever the hell I want, and as long as it does not hurt you in a visible way, you stay out of my business. If I want to sleep with 100 consenting females a day, all while smoking a joint, and boozing like there is no tomorrow, but you aren't exposed to it, why should you even care? As long as what I do doesn't negatively effect your life (in a measurable way), you (and your moral government) should stay the hell out of my business.

[MetalMilitia]

first off, You (nor anyone else) have NO right to tell me what I can or cannot do in the privacy of my own home. If I want to have sex with 100 consenting adults 7 days a week (and can find willing participants) what business is it of yours?!

You must tell me where you live!

Seriously though, how would you feel about just putting a tracking device in yourself. Would that make you happy? Then whatever it is that we do, will be watched 24/7 since you don't seem to mind.

Shit, as you guys say, "nothing to hide" then why not let national secuirty put a chip inside you. It seems to be heading this way anyways. They are already in some places taking volunteer kids for DNA smapling and studies. Is this what you want?

-MM-

[MacRasta]

We are victims of our own intelligence....

Like it or not

[DarkAce]

First off, You (nor anyone else) have NO right to tell me what I can or cannot do in the privacy of my own home.

As long as what I do doesn't negatively effect your life (in a measurable way), you (and your moral government) should stay the hell out of my business.

Oh you're absolutely right. If your killing and cutting up people in the privacy of your home it's perfectly fine. I mean it's not affecting me personally, since I wouldn't know of your wrong doings anyway, but hey it's your privacy.

Now before one of you spout off BS about aslong as you're doing legal things they should stay out of your business, or something along those lines. Now think, how can they tell if what you're doing is legal if you don't want any surveillance? Obviously you feel the most neccesarity to keep whatever the hell you're doing private would possibly arose suspicion, no?

Seriously though, how would you feel about just putting a tracking device in yourself. Would that make you happy?

Yes it would, because you only concentrate on the negatives instead of realizing the positives. They've already had GPS tracking devices for some time now. What some consumer companies have done is made a watch into a tracking device allowing the parents to know where their child is if they're wearing the GPS tracking device. The good of this, which is obvious if you're a parent, or intelligent is that you know where your child is and can feel a bit better knowing this. It's also great in helping find people who are kidnapped/missing. With such high figures of unsolved missing peoples cases this can help greatly if it was enforced.

The negative of this being that children might feel the loss of 'freedom'. But I'm sure people will find simple ways around this.

[Maleko]

Originally Posted by DarkAce

Oh you're absolutely right. If your killing and cutting up people in the privacy of your home it's perfectly fine. I mean it's not affecting me personally, since I wouldn't know of your wrong doings anyway, but hey it's your privacy.

Now before one of you spout off BS about aslong as you're doing legal things they should stay out of your business, or something along those lines. Now think, how can they tell if what you're doing is legal if you don't want any surveillance? Obviously you feel the most neccesarity to keep whatever the hell you're doing private would possibly arose suspicion, no?

If I am killing people and chopping them up for ground beef-like meals, then yes it is some people's (and yes the Govt's) business as I am affecting other's choices in life. But if I am breaking the law smoking a joint, having sex in non-approved positions (there are still so called blue laws in effect) or doing any of the many acts that are illegal but do not affect others (allowing my children to drink alcohol underage, for example), then it truly is none of your or anyone else's business. And no I'm not hiding behind any smoke screen saying my actions in my house are legal. Screw that. I am saying I am WILLINGLY breaking the law in a way that has NO effect on anyone but myself. Laws that limit my freedom to perform actions that do not impact anyone else's freedom to act are unjust.

Originally Posted by DarkAce

Yes it would, because you only concentrate on the negatives instead of realizing the positives. They've already had GPS tracking devices for some time now. What some consumer companies have done is made a watch into a tracking device allowing the parents to know where their child is if they're wearing the GPS tracking device. The good of this, which is obvious if you're a parent, or intelligent is that you know where your child is and can feel a bit better knowing this. It's also great in helping find people who are kidnapped/missing. With such high figures of unsolved missing peoples cases this can help greatly if it was enforced.

The negative of this being that children might feel the loss of 'freedom'. But I'm sure people will find simple ways around this.

I would NEVER allow such a device on my children. The price is too high. It's not a lose of my children's freedom to disobey me that I worry about. It is that the path to hell is paved with good intentions. Meaning it starts as a watch you put on your kids to make sure they stay at the mall, and ends up being a device that tracks their every move to someone other than myself.

As a famous American once said (paraphrasing here as I can not find an accurate quote) Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Now before anyone spouts of some BS saying I am advocating anarchy, I'm not. I am advocating PERSONAL responsibility in actions, and deeds.

[MetalMilitia]

Yes it would, because you only concentrate on the negatives instead of realizing the positives.

You're insane. If you want those in charge to know every move you make then you go get yourself rigged up. Sure their are positives, but I this isn't about finding a lost kid, it's about them being too involved in your actions. When they don't trust me, why should I trust them.... even though I am the one signing their paychecks.

-MM-

[VegasRonin]

I am advocating PERSONAL responsibility in actions, and deeds.

Right On Maleko! 1984 is still here though.

[Kohler]

I think there is a generation gap coming into play on this topic. Personally, I do not mind 24/7 monitoring; the world we live in is sick, and isn't the same place the older generation was being brought up in.

Some of you might still be able to remember the day during World War II when the United States was -united- and all agreed to ration the food supply together as a nation to help the troops fight off the Nazi's. Imagine if the president today asked US to ration our gas supply. I'm sure that would go over well. :pyth:

My point is that the older generation has trouble comprehending that the government CANT trust us. By 'us' I don't mean America, I mean America and the terrorists blending in with our society; when you consider the two time periods, a lot has changed. Unfortunately for my generation, we are growing up in a paranoid time where everyone and everything is a potential target. And even communism... atleast for the most part was contained elsewhere, despite our governments paranoia. Terrorism is elsewhere AND within us.

I can't blame our government for monitoring everyone as if they are a terrorist. It is just something that has to be done to ensure our safety. Since 9-11 there have been no attacks. Instead of thinking the terrorists are planning a 'massive all out attack', who knows... maybe our government has already prevented one. WE just havent been told about it.

[FactsOverFiction]

But if I am breaking the law smoking a joint, having sex in non-approved positions (there are still so called blue laws in effect) or doing any of the many acts that are illegal but do not affect others (allowing my children to drink alcohol underage, for example), then it truly is none of your or anyone else's business

Wrong, right, wrong.

Your just smoking a joint has gotten things to do with everyone (I am Pro-legalizing BTW) unless you grow it in your basement, a friend gives it too you, you are endangering lives as yes people do get killed over petty Mary Jane dealing's. Your buying off the dealer attracts more dealers which can and does lead to turf wars where innocent people get hurt. Your buying in my neighborhood can result in a decline of my property values. And until its legal will continue to do so.

Sex and anything to do with sex as long as it is done in the privacy of your own home should be legal, with some stipulations ie knowingly transmitting disease.

And you allowing your underage children to drink is wrong, albeit you may be a great parent and an exception to what I am saying but in most cases this is seen as a weakness by the parent and the child drinks on there own, and can become a problem drinker which is a burden on society.

So to recap my business on number one and number three not my business on number two


FoF

[DarkAce]

If I am killing people and chopping them up for ground beef-like meals, then yes it is some people's (and yes the Govt's) business as I am affecting other's choices in life. But if I am breaking the law smoking a joint, having sex in non-approved positions (there are still so called blue laws in effect) or doing any of the many acts that are illegal but do not affect others (allowing my children to drink alcohol underage, for example), then it truly is none of your or anyone else's business. And no I'm not hiding behind any smoke screen saying my actions in my house are legal. Screw that. I am saying I am WILLINGLY breaking the law in a way that has NO effect on anyone but myself. Laws that limit my freedom to perform actions that do not impact anyone else's freedom to act are unjust.

"Now think, how can they tell if what you're doing is legal if you don't want any surveillance?"

and ends up being a device that tracks their every move to someone other than myself.

Yes, I figured someone would bring this point up. Although I suppose someone could go through all the work of hacking into the gps signal of a certain person (can average equipement and know how be able to do this?) to track them, I just remember good ol genuine stalking is a tried, proven and effective cheap method.

Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

To better understand the meaning of the quote one should look back into the context it was said in and the times it was said in. I believe the quote is from Roosevelt?(sp?)

I am advocating PERSONAL responsibility in actions, and deeds.

As great as that would be, it just doesn't work in the real world. You know as well as I that there are far too many incapable of doing so.Those are the ones that ruin it for the rest of us.

If you want those in charge to know every move you make then you go get yourself rigged up.

It's not a wanting, it's merely of me not caring. Ohhh they know I like to drink red kool-aid...my world has ended! Like I've said before "Does it directly influence you or affect your life drastically? Do you have to make life changes because of these things?"

I think you're looking way too far into this. Perhaps it might be all the scifi but we're not being forced to wear barcodes, take behaviour altering drugs to conform, living in a dark utopian society, etc. Well not yet atleast. But all the current safety measures that you feel are prying into your life so much are initiated for obvious reasons. I hope you can recognize why. The world doesn't operate like it is in television and the movies, the good guys don't always win.

When they don't trust me, why should I trust them

Do you know your government? Do you converse with them on a regular basis? You go out clubbing with them? You have no personal relationship with the government, so why do you feel they should trust you? So you pay taxes, doesn't mean you're on the buddy list, your obligated to pay for the services the government provides. That is basically the general relationship you have with your government as a citizen. I don't think I have to divulge into want the government generally does and provides for it's citizens.
With that said, you should never completly trust your government. One should always be able to question their actions to better understand the situations at hand. But one should also be able to understand why the government can't trust it's own citizens.

[Conservative Front]

Ok, to start I will glady define morally driven. By Morals I believe we should all live by christian morals and ethics America is a melting pot not a Multicultural society, Yes they can worship whatever god they please but should conform to our standards,morals, and ethics. The quakers didn't have a problem conforming to our morals and ethics and the worshipped freely with out constrains. Christian Standards Morals and Ethics are Right our Country was build on them. Worship freely but conform to us.

Yes, the government has a right to step in to sex out of wedlock. It is morally and ethical wrong I don't believe that you have the right to have sex with any consenting adult except you're wife. You hurt the moral and indegratiy of the country by preforming these deviant acts.

If the country became moral inclined and this is taught to people from a young age then the need for government intervention and monitoring would decline but until they reach this I believe the monitoring and watching is justified.

To simply put this You are wrong. There should be a line of moral and ethnical diginity. No it doesn't hurt me personally but I believe that it hurts the Moral and integrity of our country. Do You really want to live under a doctrine of "anarchy" that implies coming to our country insues the heavy use a drugs and prositiusion? and Yes It boils down to a Moral line Conform to our Ethics and morals. and Welcome to a Melting pot.

[playmaker88]

Originally Posted by Conservative Front

Yes, the government has a right to step in to sex out of wedlock. It is morally and ethical wrong I don't believe that you have the right to have sex with any consenting adult except you're wife. You hurt the moral and indegratiy of the country by preforming these deviant acts.

Nonsense, sex is the most natural act you will ever perform as a human. Granted there are risks to yourself and others if you are a promiscuous fool but you can have sex outside marraige without falling into that category. I don't need no piece of paper that costs an arm and a leg to prove my love for my long-term partner. I'd rather spend the money on my family than give it to the beneficiaries of the marraige system.

[MacRasta]

CF, your (or any other) government hasn't got anything to say about having sex with other partners, or having sex in some weird position. It's all in the genes. I still bellieve we are not made to have only 1 partner, man are made to reproduce as much as possible, and women are made to seek out the strongest male(s) in their eyes, that's nature working.
What you are saying is the church point of view, accepted by fools (and governments) all over this planet, utter
The first reason people don't do it is because they are afraid of what other people will say, because it doesn't fit in the big picture, put up by powerfull men (religions) in the past, and ridiculously copy-pasted into our laws in present days. We are obliged by our governments to live by the church's rules, (but things are finally starting to change).

We already pay taxes on just about anything except for sunlight and the air we breathe, that's already enough for them to check, as for the rest I say to the governments : leave us the funk alone.

To you guys who don't mind getting a chip or be monitored 24/7 : beware, 'cause this is a typical communist thing(full control). Think about that!

Mac

[Conservative Front]

Think about this you're telling me that sex is the most natural of occurences, well so Is death So is it ok for people to go around killing people because its natural for life to end? Or Is "natural" used a mere convient word to describe acts you want to preform?

[MetalMilitia]

More invasion of privacy / paranoia I guess on my part. You guys can feel free to go sign yourselves up for whatever though.

Proposition to take DNA at arrest stirs privacy fears Mandatory sampling on November ballot

"DNA is not like a fingerprint, since getting it is more invasive and it holds information beyond mere identification,'' said Tania Simoncelli, a science and technology fellow for the American Civil Liberties Union. "Storing it permanently for future criminal investigations doesn't comply with the Constitution.''

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...type=printable

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Pentagon Spying in America?...

June 21 issue - Last February, two Army counterintelligence agents showed up at the University of Texas law school and demanded to see the roster from a conference on Islamic law held a few days earlier. Their reason: they were trying to track down students who the agents claimed had been asking "suspicious" questions. "I felt like I was in 'Law & Order'," said one student after being grilled by one of the agents. The incident provoked a brief campus uproar, and the Army later admitted the agents had exceeded their authority. But if the Pentagon has its way, the Army may not have to make such amends in the future. Without any public hearing or debate, NEWSWEEK has learned, Defense officials recently slipped a provision into a bill before Congress that could vastly expand the Pentagon's ability to gather intelligence inside the United States, including recruiting citizens as informants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5197014/site/newsweek/

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I've got you under my skin

A number of VIP clubbers at a Barcelona nightclub have been implanted with a chip in their upper arm. But, as Andrew Losowsky reports, the potential uses of the technology could be wide ranging

"If the government offered this as a choice, saying you can put your ID card, your social security card and your credit card away and just have this, I'd sign immediately," he says. "I wouldn't have to carry around my wallet."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/sto...234827,00.html

OK you sheep. You aren't gonna get this within 20 feet of me.

-MM-

[MacRasta]

Originally Posted by Conservative Front

Think about this you're telling me that sex is the most natural of occurences, well so Is death So is it ok for people to go around killing people because its natural for life to end? Or Is "natural" used a mere convient word to describe acts you want to preform?

This doesn't make any sense, I wasn't talking about raping people, I was talking about having sex, or as you said :

to have sex with any consenting adult except you're wife

If I was talking about raping people because you're in need of sex, your point about killing people could be taken in consideration. Right now, you're twisting my words to get your right. Pretty lame...

Mac

[Maleko]

Can anyone please explain to me why when Freedom is mentioned, the "anti-freedom" and crowd always assumes that people want the freedom to rape/pillage/murder?

I don't want the govt watching me, I don't kill people, I've never raped anyone, I'm not a thief, I just want to be left alone. It's just that simple. My life is complex enough raising 3 children, (2 of which I have sole custody of, the third me and her mother share her equally) working a 40 hour a week + job, and trying to have a social life. Adding in worrying about who is watching me and for what reason is just an added layer of complexity that I really don't need.

[DarkAce]

beware, 'cause this is a typical communist thing(full control). Think about that!

If it were to ever get to out of control the south and every redneck will get up in arms and rebel. Then what they've been yammering about for so long about protecting themselves from an 'invasion' will actually merit something.

Proposition to take DNA

Well the benefits explain itself. Now what exactly are all the long lists of negatives that you seem to believe? That they'll have you're info on the criminal programs on their software and people will send spam to you? Nah that's not far-fetched enough. It's probably that they'll use the dna to clone you and replace you with a better citizen? That about covers the scope of paranoia? Can't figure out the benefits? Here's some from the article:

"a greatly expanded DNA database could clear up thousands of unsolved crimes"

"DNA profiles that will help California law enforcement use this proven, high-tech tool to quickly solve even more criminal cases and prevent more crimes from being committed.''

Besides the ballot states: "require DNA samples from everyone convicted of any felony, as well as those arrested for murder or rape." It's not like they're radomly dna sampling people, it's for people who have already been arrested and logically having their DNA could easily help identify if they've commited another crime.

Pentagon Spying in America

America has been spying on it's own citizens for over many decades. You think this is a new thing?

"I felt like I was in 'Law & Order'," said one student after being grilled by one of the agents.

Oh no! poor, poor student. He was asked questions, how devastating! So devastating that he felt he was in Law and Order and not a cooler cop show like CSI...!

You must realize why and the reasoning behind why they're going to these lenghs? Perhaps if more applied that reasoning before posting it would help understand the situation better then being a mouthpiece.

I've got you under my skin

Sounds like a cool concept unfortunately seems too unpredictable atm. While these things would probably reduce muggings, doesn't sound very secure and the safety of your health aren't clear for the long run either. Seems digital crime will be an even bigger business in upcoming years.

Can anyone please explain to me why when Freedom is mentioned, the "anti-freedom" and crowd always assumes that people want the freedom to rape/pillage/murder?

It's the context in which freedom is mentioned. Anti-freedom crowd? Heh. It's called rationality and logic. Please tell me you realized that you are only 1 out of the what 249 999 999 other people in your friggen country. You don't account for the actions of all those other people. You can be by the book and a model citizen all you like, doesn't mean everyone else is. That's why these actions take place.