WTC attacks planned advanced by the u.s. government?

[AnimeFreak]

I have found out something really unbelieveable ... The govenment is hiding what truely happened in 9-11 -01 . Seriously somehow it was sort of fishy the way how the twin towers collapsed . It look like sort of a demolition . And how in the world did the world trade building 7 collapsed .. some said it was a demolition plan to begin with ..

Remote - Controlled Planes???????
Planes painted to olook like a boeing and imprinted United Airlines and American Airlines????
U.S. Planned the attack to blame the Arabs ....


Check this site out
http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.htm

[stewey]

Total rubbish... check http://forums.armageddononline.org/s...ead.php?t=1978

[Emerald_Dragon]

the only part that's rubbish is where the U.S. government planned it. it was allowed to happen, by the heads of the government that stymied diligent agents. no, the whole government did not plan it. only the ones that were involved with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). Brzezinski wrote about it in his book, "The Grand Chessboard". And its all happening now. Many years in the making.

[Bonafide]

Your'e starting to sound like all the nutcases who used to talk about "New World Order". Take a valium - everything will be fine.

[Rage_Garden]

The New American Century is a real document. Signed by true Americans like Donald Rumsfeld http://raytal.com/gate.html For some reason its ok to make these things without public consent.

[humanhybrid]

Well you could say that Mr.Bush would have wanted to invaded Iraq even given the notion that there was no 911! or WMD. But to have 911 would grease public and national outrage to give reason to link terrorists to Iraq. NO? good day!

[stewey]

Again, if the conspiracy theories were true, why wouldn't foreign or domestic physicists and other well-known people with the knowledge credentials come forward? Why wouldn't the professors contact the Democrat campaign with the evidence, as it would be a key to certain victory?

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Your'e starting to sound like all the nutcases who used to talk about "New World Order".

yeah, whoda thunk. Did you ever read that article by Greg Palast regarding the Governator and the Enron connection? I don't believe in the NWO, I think we're already in an "Old World Order" as promulgated by making order out of chaos. Its only new because you haven't heard of it before.

[stewey]

http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=54124

That thread right there debunks any "government planned 911" conspiracy. Read the whole thing. Enjoy!

[VegasRonin]

Moved to Conspiracy Theories. Might end up merging threads depending on which way this goes.

[AnimeFreak]

about the Pentagon .... was it really bombed .... it seems impossible that a plan crashed into ...........

[Emerald_Dragon]

stewey,

you still haven't answered the questions i've posed in this thread. now you want me to read 5 pages of your denials on another bbs that support your claims? didn't i already say that the whole U.S. government did not plan 911?

Have you bothered to follow up on the Pearl Harbor government conspiracy? you would have found there, that the whole gov't was not in on it either. Just a few well placed people with enough clout to allow it to happen.

[substand]

just as real as "the protocols of the elders of zion" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[stewey]

Well, Osama takes credit for the attacks in this video aired on Al Jazeera after 911.
http://terroristmedia.com/oblaljazeera.wmv

[Emerald_Dragon]

i don't know about you, but i don't speak Arabic. you may need to look up Sibel Edmonds or other translators to know what was said. And even then, American and British translations have been shown to be dissimilar, regarding one of the OBL "I did it" tapes.

Further, didn't the Admiral of the Japanese fleet take credit for Pearl Harbor? Or was it the Japanese gov't circa 1941. It was allowed to happen. Orchestrated.

Now howbout those answers?

Michael Moore called , he said he wanted his unpatriotic bullshit back.
He also told me to tell you your check is in the mail

[DontBeAfraid]

dissent is the highest form of patriotism.... sheep.

[mickydoolittle]

Originally Posted by MarshallLaw

Michael Moore called , he said he wanted his unpatriotic bullshit back.
He also told me to tell you your check is in the mail

[stewey]

http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

Answers all of your questions. I asked my buddy who is a physicist. He has a MS degree in physics, chemistry, mathematics and minors in related fields. Simply put, hes a friggen genius. He told me that the whole pentagon was a missile theory holds no water. The plane had little debris because of the way planes are designed -- low carbon in the metals. Also, he reaffirmed my calculations about the "missile" theory being full of crap, as the laws of physics prevents it from being possible (laws of thermodynamics).

[lolaprei]

Nobody in their right mind would publicly try to dismiss 9-11 as planned or missles, even if that was truly the case. You have to realize ppl have such blind faith that they themselves would just be crucified for suggesting such an idea. Was there certainly an incentive to allow it to happen...hell yea...and noone can deny that...but missles? Who knows..

[Emerald_Dragon]

Stewey, i'm beginning to believe that you can't think for yourself.


> He told me that the whole pentagon was a missile theory holds no water.

and you know where that came from, Rumsfeld. He said it in a news conference and is quoted on a gov't website, that a missile hit it. He was in the Pentagon when it happened. Go figure?

I don't believe a missile hit the Pentagon, but that would explain alot.

Letsee, where to start....

http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
"that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile that was fired by our own military in order to intimidate Congress!"

no, that was the Anthrax scare in October 2001 to get Congress to hastily pass Patriot Act I.


do you know what a disinformation agent is? a shill? he/she is someone who will say that a missile was fired into the Pentagon and show the security camera footage taken of the Pentagon [pre-impact, during, post], to prove his point, which coincides with some witness's testimony, but leaves out some information like a remotely piloted Boeing without passenger windows [as reported by some witnesses], fired the missile, then crashed into the Pentagon after making a 270 degree turn, leaving bits and pieces of it on the lawn, of which later turn out to be doctored, thus, invalidating the whole testimony. That is, until someone shows the similar footage on a website, which subsequently gets taken down by the FBI/Secret Service because it is a National Security issue, currently under investigation, and should not be publicly available.

That's how it works. Do you know what a 'coverup' is?


Now, about this site....
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
"
Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77.
"
it and other sites, forget to mention the names of the hijackers on the flight or their bodies. Why not? The Sierra Times filed a couple FOIAs to find out the names of the remains for Flight 93 and noticed the Hijackers names were not found among the casualties of that flight. It didn't pursue the anomaly because it subsequently went out of business. The names of the lost can be found on the planes in question, but none of the hijackers. Remotely piloted plane anyone? Global Hawk? How is it that some of the hijackers are alive?

Unless of course, the hijackers were counted among those that worked in the Pentagon :


and this site...
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dyn...com/2002/03/14

hmmm...i'm beginning to doubt this About.com, who runs it?

Anywayz, the link interviews 2 educated people on their take on the Pentagon crash.
I doubt their credentials and testimony because of this statement....
"
Patrick: The plane hit the ground first, then slid into the building. If the landing wheels were not down and locked, the full height of the plane would extend upwards into the second floor of the building, which is what happened.
"

Anyone who's seen the photographs and read the articles can see that this did not happen. Look at the grass in front of the impact. How could the grass be intact esp if it hit between the 1st and 2nd floors? At a 45 Degree angle?


I'd love to go further, but well, gotta go do, what I gotta go do. Part I.

[stewey]

I say "he said" because I am no expert on physics. I figure a masters degree holder would be a good knowledgable person.

Well, I did take it one step further, anyways. The whole physics you claim is incorrect, and I do not make this claim, but rather does a ph.d. in astrophysics. I wrote him an email, asking him his opinion. He replied a few hours later, and well, he said the "theories" that try to use physics (including the ones claimed at 911physics.org) are very incorrect.

Also, have you seen a Boeing? The claim that you cannot see windows is very silly (and ignorant). The design of a boeing has VERY small windows. Also, they are above the widest part of the girth, and near the top. You would not be able to see windows on a plane flying 500 mph. I'll show a picture at the end. The "missile pods" also are just a normal part of the plane that are on every other Boeing ever made. A missile launching within seconds of impact, also, is impossible thanks to the laws of thermodynamics (for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction).

http://www.fs2000.org/alitalia/767.jpg

click link, its a big picture. Windows are VERY hard to see

[Strife]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html#Main

Its a must see.

[stewey]

Well, all of the "physics experts" physics calculations and claims are wrong, according to my astrophysicist professor contact. I am no physics expert, which is why I asked him. Also, a lot of the images on conspiracy sites are doctored, such as the "fake timestamp".

If there was a big ass plane full of fuel, why the hell would they need a missile?

[Strife]

Edit: sorry, misread.