Why Bush Won And Gore Lost In 2000

This is why Bush won and Gore lost in 2000! www.viciouspit.com

[Marajadex]

All I can say is...


WOW!


And Thank You!

[Strife]

I'm surprised that theres more to bush's corrupted election. The music was nice too! GTA revolutionized gaming.

[lotrfan55345]

I love those videos, I saw the Depleted uranium one too!

Can you show me the website of the creator of those videos? I seem to have lost the link...

[substand]

Jesus Fucking Christ, it's been 4 years! As the liberal website/pac says, MOVEON!

[stewey]

Yep, in 1998 Florida knew that Bush would be the Republican nominee.

Gore lost fair and square, all recounts except 1 (4/5 I believe?) showed Bush won. get over it.

[midnightsonblaze]

Originally Posted by substand

Jesus Fucking Christ, it's been 4 years! As the liberal website/pac says, MOVEON!

Sorry Sub.....but in those four years since this has happened look at where the US stands now.......with the economy & war and all of those allies we now have!!!!......Just like his Dad....Bush fk'd the country up and someone new needs to be in there to help fix it up

[substand]

Sorry Sub.....but in those four years since this has happened look at where the US stands now.......with the economy & war and all of those allies we now have!!!!......Just like his Dad....Bush fk'd the country up and someone new needs to be in there to help fix it up

first, my life in the US is not markedly different now than it was 4 years ago, except that I make almost 5x as much money per hour now than i did then. Sure, it spiked higher than that on a weekly paycheck basis, and now its gone down weekly... But that bad "economy" started with the dot com bust during the Clinton years, and presidents have little power over the economy anyway, so I blame neither of them. Its not Bush's fault that jobs like mine are being outsourced any more than its John Adams' fault.

2nd, war was inevitable and the best option as far as I'm concerned, and we have just as many allies as we had before the "war" (i'm assuming you mean the one with Iraq, which france objected to, but they are still helping us in Afghanistan, hence, still and "ally")... and lets not think of the other 40+ countries who helped us in Iraq and the 100 or so helping with the war on terror. And please lets not bring up the utter bullshit of "they didn't send troops" or "they only sent 10 troops," since it is well known that we weren't looking for hundreds of thousands, or even hundreds, of troops to help carry the load. We were/are looking for "moral" support, and thats what we got. We appreciate the political sacrifice of those leaders who made it, and we really appreciate the support of those who died in supporting us... They died for a great cause, IMO, and I appreciate it. I'm not one to write them off as irrelevant like so many mad libs do.

But all that is BEYOND THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. You see, this thread did not bring up the fact that "someone new needs to be in [the presidency] to help fix [the country] up"... NO, the original post bitched about the way Bush was selected or elected or chosen or put there by God or something else....

If someone else is needed to fix bush's mistakes, by all means, campaign for them, vote for them, and put them in office. Stop bitching about how bush was selected or rigged the election with the help of his brother, or whatever. That was 4 years ago, so MOVE ON. I didn't vote for bush the first time, I wont vote for him this time, but fucking MOVE ON. Its getting old. Bush is president whether you like it or not or whether he's done a good job or not.

If he needs to be replaced, say so. Mention why. Don't say because he didn't win in the first place. Thats stupid and irrelevant and I'm at my wits end because, though I be retarded myself, I CANNOT STAND THE EXCESSIVE MORONICITY AND MONGOLOID POSTURING OF MAD LIBS WHO CANNOT GET OVER THE FACT THAT BUSH IS CURRENTLY THE U.S. PRESIDENT. I say it again, move the fuck on.

Sorry, just my 2 pence.

I put the post up not because of what happen in the past. It was put up so something like this dose not happen in the future!! And talk about the past. I read post in this forum about allot of thing from the past!! Like JFK and how he was killed, 9/11 and what really happen,and allot more post from the past. Wake up people! you have to look at the past to fix the future! I am over 2000 and looking forward to 2004.You can not fix the future ( only hope to change it ) But you can learn from the past.

[kathaksung]

People who vote don't decide whom be elected.
People who count the vote do.

The people who control the intelligence in US decide whom been elected. That's what happened in Florida election, 2000 in which Inside group selected Bush. And in Demo's Primary in 2004 in which they dropped Howard Dean.

In a rigged election, they could move votes by thousands.

Quote, ""DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."

- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22

Yes. Something very strange happened in Volusia County on election night November 2000, the night that first Gore won Florida, then Bush, and then as everybody can so well remember there was a tie.
Something strange indeed. But what exactly? In the above report ( click for full version), written days after the election, hotshot Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank goes on to attribute the strange 16,022 negative vote tally from Volusia's precinct 216 to an apparently innocent cause.
"…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed," he wrote.

But thanks to recent investigations into Black Box Voting by Washington State writer Bev Harris we now know this explanation is not correct. In fact it is not even in the ballpark.
Entire article

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

[kathaksung]

See US politics From another angle .

It looks like a democratic system. It's not. The two parties are all under control of inside group. Politicians are puppets. The campaign is actually like a horse racing. And the candidates are like domesticated horses.

This time the inside group want Bush to stay in 2nd term of president because he is obedient. He followed the order to start an unjust war. So they keep him there because they want more war. The other candidate who may be a possible threat to Bush were advised to leave.

What is the target of politicians? President. Can you immagine a department manager give up the chance to be raised to the position of executive president? But Tom Daschle and Al Gore were advised to abandon to election 2004. Because they may defeat Bush. And they obeyed. That's why I say it's a domestic horse racing. Everything depends on Master's will.

They leave some incompetant horses for Demo and make it a chaotic circus. Through media propaganda, fake poll, rigged election, they got a weak candidate for Demo. All to make sure Bush can continue to be a "war president".

And of course, you always see those government accessaries, discredit this and support that. At the purpose to weak Demo and strenthen Bush.

[Marajadex]

Originally Posted by Bushnell

I put the post up not because of what happen in the past. It was put up so something like this dose not happen in the future!!

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

[Emerald_Dragon]

kathaksung,

have some faith. there are still some good people around. i base my opinion/POV on what happened in Venezuela. Chavez won. It may yet happen here. Although, I agree that Kerry is not much different from Bush. At least it will tell the powers that be, they're moving in a direction that may face resistance. JMO.

[kathaksung]

Emerald_Dragon,

Yes, good people are majority, but they have no power. A little group which control media and intelligence so they control US politics.

Manipulate media and election

Poll is a tool used to control American's mind. Intelligence(Feds) play the figure as they pleased because media is in their stronghold.

What good has Bush done? He started an injustice war in Iraq. He created a lot of enemies for US. He has a historical dificit in economy. He eroded civil liberty by "Patriot Act". Yet they still award him an approvement about 50% while actually should be below 30%. Because insider group need more war in Mid-east, and Bush follow their policy.

When American people realized war is not for the interest of US and choose Howard Dean as their candidate. The insider group throw out W. Clark to weaken Dean. As many people still don't know who Clark is, CNN has a poll said Clark could beat Bush and that his support leaded over other Demo candidates, just 2 days after Clark announced to join the campaign.

California recall started only 3 months after formal election while Governor G. Davis made no serious offense. When they want to steal the post of Governor to prepare for election 2004, they have Arnold to be their patsy. (There is one common character of Arnold and Clark: no politic experience, so they become perfect puppet) And this time CNN throw out a poll that Arnold has an approvement of 40% leading over Bustamante's 28%. (A sudden change from previous: Arnold 26%, Bustamante 28%) It's because McClintock will not pull out the campaign, to make the recall result reasonable, they gave a sudden boost poll result to justify Arnold's winning. (It is a fixed one)

American people are naive. When poll said so, they believe it. And seldom people tracking if there were cheating in election.(which is popular, people only noticed it when the result is too close such like what happened in florida.) That's why insider group could pick up Bush in 2000, and win mid-election in Minnisota. They will steal the post of California Governor this year and the election of 2004 as well.

This is how insider group manipulate American election. They steal it by intelligent covert job. (Those who controlled intelligence, they controlled election office) And make people believe the result is reasonable by fake poll.

[substand]

Yes, good people are majority, but they have no power. A little group which control media and intelligence so they control US politics.

Which is it? Are these "good people" morons? Have they no intelligence to take the media's "news" and refuse to regurgitate it? Do you have faith in people or not?

What good has Bush done? He started an injustice war in Iraq. He created a lot of enemies for US. He has a historical dificit in economy. He eroded civil liberty by "Patriot Act". Yet they still award him an approvement about 50% while actually should be below 30%. Because insider group need more war in Mid-east, and Bush follow their policy.

I will not debate the patriot act here, because it need not be debated. But some people, despite the fact that you may think them irrational, think ousting Saddam was a good thing. Most of us see no new enemies because of this "injustice war." Certainly not even the fervently anti-war Russians, French, Belgians, etc, could be classified now as "enemies." In fact, I would venture to say that this war has created no new important enemies. Finally, many people understand the deficit as a by product of an economic recession, nothing new, or business as usual for the US government. I'm not saying deficits are good, but certainly its nothing new, and to be expected from a government that thinks of its citizens money not as its citizens, but as its own.

When American people realized war is not for the interest of US and choose Howard Dean as their candidate. The insider group throw out W. Clark to weaken Dean. As many people still don't know who Clark is, CNN has a poll said Clark could beat Bush and that his support leaded over other Demo candidates, just 2 days after Clark announced to join the campaign.

First, I think its a little presumptuous to say the "American people realize war is not in the interest of US..." I happen to think it was in good interest, and many others do as well. Many others don't. Its split, at worst. 2nd, I'm not at all sure how "throwing out Clark" would weaken Dean, unless you are talking of a different definition of "throwing out" than I am thinking of (ie, "throwing him out into the mix" vs "throwing him out of contention"). 3rd, Dean defeated himself because he's much too wackoleftist to make it, and he couldn't even attempt to pretend otherwise. Selecting Dean as a candidate for president would have meant suicide for Democrats in this election, and I dont think you'll find too many observers who would disagree with that.

After continuing reading, its sounding like you are talking about 6+ month old news as if it came out today...

American people are naive.

As a matter of fact, I beleive you!

Damn my naiveté!

[kathaksung]

Originally Posted by substand

Which is it? Are these "good people" morons? Have they no intelligence to take the media's "news" and refuse to regurgitate it? Do you have faith in people or not?


Damn my naiveté!

These good people are not morons, only been cheated. They are the majority, but the media and polls made them thought they were the minority. It's not a proper question "Do you have faith in people or not?"
I think I should say I have no faith to this government and media.

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Cheating

They steal the election through intelligence work.(control election office, make cheating easy) And make people believe the result by poll. Unless you can make the election more transparent and being under monitor, you live under a covert totalitarism.

An example of how they cheat people:

Most people of the world oppose war in Iraq. Americans are the same. But through media, they censor the anti-war sentiment and gave a poll of that more than 60% U.S. people support war. But when it went to Capital Hill, they can't cheat like what they did on poll because there is a count on each "yes" or "no" from congressmen and senator. And these law makers knew what their constituents think. That's why there was a DC sniper shooting at the time to pass the authorizing Iraq war power to President Bush. It's a intimidation. Many law makers bent to the threat and vote against their constituents' will.

Quote, "----- Original Message -----
From: "mike burke"
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Democracy Now Exclusive: Survey Shows
Congress Overwhelmed w/ Anti-War Calls


*** DEMOCRACY NOW EXCLUSIVE ***

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 27, 2002


CONGRESS OVERWHELMED WITH ANTI-WAR CALLS FROM
"THE SILENCED MAJORITY"

Republican and Democratic Senate offices report
"overwhelming" opposition from their constituents to war with Iraq. This comes as Congress prepares to pass a war resolution granting President Bush sweeping powers to invade Iraq.

The national news radio show Democracy Now!
conducted an informal survey on Thursday of 70 Republican
and Democratic Senate offices.

Of the 26 offices which responded to our inquires, 22 reported an overwhelming majority - in some cases up to 99 percent -- of constituents opposed war in Iraq; three said the response was split and just one office Among the findings:

Democrats
* Wisconsin Sen. Herb Kohl: Aides say they are receiving 1,000-2,000 calls per week with the overwhelming number opposed to an attack on Iraq.

* Washington Sen. Patty Murray: Over 5,000 letters and
phone calls were received last week on Iraq, aides say. Only about 100 came from constituents who supported an attack.

* California Sen. Dianne Feinstein: Staff in her San Francisco office reported about 200 calls a day with 99 percent of the callers opposing the war.

* New Mexico Sen. Jeff Bingaman: The D.C. office has been receiving at least 1,300 calls a day with about 70 percent opposed to war.

Republicans
* North Carolina Jesse Helms: Staff declined to give figures but said the "majority is against" when it comes to calls on Iraq.

* Nebraska Charles Hegal: According to aides, constituents favor diplomacy over war at a rate of 5 to 1.

* Virginia John Warner: About 150 constituents a day are calling into the D.C. offices. "A very small minority supported military action," said one aide.

"It's extraordinary that, as Senators work with the Bush Administration to draft a war resolution, their constituents are expressing overwhelming opposition an attack against Iraq," said Amy Goodman, the host of Democracy Now! "Unfortunately we are hearing very little about this in the media. These calls
represent the silenced majority, not the silent majority."

Democracy Now is a daily nationwide news show
based in New York. It is broadcast on over 130 public
radio and television stations around the country.

The election need transparancy and monitor from people. Otherwise it is only a covert totalitarian.

[kathaksung]

What good is Bush?

1. He cannot even express correctly what he thinks.

e.g. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

2, He has no common knowledge. He doesn't know the money of Russia and Iraq.

Bush speaks of 'Soviet dinar' in speech about Iraq

Wed Aug 18, 8:28 PM ET HUDSON, United States (AFP) - US President George W. Bush spoke of "the Soviet dinar," even though dinars are the Iraqi currency.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...3&sid=96378801

3. He had no ability to handle and foresee the development of a big event. He said "(Iraq war) Mission is accomplished". We know it is not.

4. He is dumb to react an emergence. He had no reaction to a big attack(When WTC was bombed) for 7 minutes.

To react properly in above events is not difficult for most people. How can be in such a great country like US, we have no better selection but an incompetent Bush?

No wonder he is the big joke abroad. George W. Bush is a big winner at the World Stupidity Awards in Canada.

Bush wins fest's top 'stupid award'
But U.S. president loses to Saddam for Just for Laughs' lifetime awards
Nelson Wyatt
The Canadian Press
July 25, 2004

MONTREAL - The November elections may still be ahead of him, but U.S. President George W. Bush has already come out a big winner at the World Stupidity Awards.

Mr. Bush was a dominating presence at the second edition of the awards presented at the Just for Laughs comedy festival taking place in Montreal

Mr. Black said the awards "celebrate the pros" and "perfection in idiocy" because real stupidity is hard work.

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawac...c-bcb68dc5382b

Bush, with his low IQ, even not dare to face kerry's challenge to debate each week. Yet, media from time to time said Bush is leading over Kerry. Do you believe it?
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This is how insider group manipulate American election. They steal it by intelligent covert job. (Those who controlled intelligence, they controlled election office) And make people believe the result is reasonable by fake poll.

[Thor]

yep, and KERRY is the ONE...LOL...I can't wait to see what happens if Kerry wins! We will need to vote on everything since he can't make up his mind what he is for....I would actually take this seriously if Hillary were running...she's a smart lady

[knac1055]

This is how The Electoral College System works?

By my understanding states are broken down into districts

14, 15 16 whatever, each district cast there votes who ever wins in that district gets one vote

Example: say a state has 3 electoral votes district 1 vote for candidate 1, district 2 votes for candidate 2, district 3 votes for candidate 1, will candidate 1 won and got the entire 3 electoral votes.


prison inmates have no right to vote........ until there sentence is overtruned they have no rights at all except not to be beaten by the prison staff....

[Thor]

I gotta admit Kerry SLAYS Bush in a verbal eloquence conttest, Bush seems to have a mental block when it comes to speaking eloquently, but that's about where it ends...Kerry can't seem to say the say thing twice in a row...I think the "Waffle House" flip-flop award is justified... what IS Kerry's platform anyway, does he even HAVE one? Help me understand this election...

[knac1055]

http://users.adelphia.net/~ray1126/this_land.swf

[Kohler]

What is the DBT, is it a person or a company??

[DontBeAfraid]

Why is knacs signature so big..... Its supposed to be short and clever.

[kathaksung]

Unpopular Bush (Bush 2)
Even before Iraq war, the world viewed him a villain already. It was from report of his own State department.
Quote,"Many see Bush as villain, US embassies report
by Glenn Kessler and Mike Allen
Washington Post
Washington - the messages from US embassies around the globe have become urgent and disturbing: Many people in the world increasingly think President Bush is a greater threat to world peace than Iraq President Saddam Hussein....." (S.J.M.N. 2/24/03)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Feb23.html

Now many viewed him as war criminal. In Belgium, Bush and Blair had been filed with lawsuit of war crimes. They were banned to Church of Nativity. Bush also had been indicted for war crimes by a group of Japanese lawyers. Of course, you can never see this kind of news from US mainstream media.
Inside group very carefully protect their puppet.

When Bush visited London last November, he met with a large protest from people which turned a state visit to a public humiliation. To save Bush's fame, D.O.J. at the same time threw out Michael Jackson's molesting case to distract.

What about American people? The biggest protest ever to Republican Convention in New York this September says all.

Early this year, more than 60 leading scientists-including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university presidents-issued a statement to protest Bush's scientific policies.
In March, a US business group that monitors federal spending took out a full-page advert in The New York Times, likening President George W. Bush to a corrupt chief executive officer who has forfeited public trust
In May, some 50 retired US diplomats wrote a letter to Bush urging him to reverse the Mid-east policy.

Professionals, from their own angle, protest Bush's policy. Bush is notorious, either in domestic or abroad.

Even Bush's closest ally Tony Blair keeps distance from him.

Quote, "LONDON (AFP) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair is refusing to fly to the United States to receive a medal bestowed on him by the nation for his support over last year's Iraq war, a London newspaper has reported.
US President George W. Bush has put huge pressure on his closest ally to pick up the medal in person, which was awarded over a year ago, the Sunday Mirror said, quoting a senior British government source.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ritain_us_iraq

Yet, from time to time, name brand media such like CNN, ABC, USA Today, Gallop issued poll result that Bush steadily has the approve rate around 50% and often leads over his Demo rival. What is the base of it?

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This is how insider group manipulate American election. They steal it by intelligent covert job. (Those who controlled intelligence, they controlled election office) And make people believe the result is reasonable by fake poll.

[Donsun]

all i can say is thank you katherine harris. i mean congresswoman.