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Old Jan 7th, 2005, 9:51 AM   #1
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United Nations troops in America?

When discussing the topics of US concentration camps and also gun confiscation, the most common refute I hear is that "it can't happen because American troops would not do that to American citizens". Well have you noticed lately how the majority of our military forces have been deployed overseas? They are in places other than Iraq that are basically "non-combat" zones. Now take the knowledge that the our military is already stretched thin and spread out across the globe and ask yourself what would happen if there were another "terrorist" attack in America such as a nuke. Well America would be in a panic and then the UN would step in as the hero and kindly offer to send some of their forces to help "secure & protect" America. Feeling vulnerable to attack the American public would welcome them in with open arms. From there you get the picture that these foreign troops would have no problems doing these things to Americans. Sound far fetched? Check out what Henry Kissinger said in 1991:

http://www.grecoreport.com/Kissinger.htm

At the Bilderberger Conference held in Evians, France, in 1991, Henry Kissinger shows us what he thinks of the average American when he uttered these cynical and arrogant words:



"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened their very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
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Old Jan 7th, 2005, 10:26 PM   #2
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It wouldn't happen. Enforcing a police state on a country where citizens have guns is incredibly difficult.
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Old Jan 8th, 2005, 5:45 AM   #3
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It isn' t all that difficult if you have satellite functions to pinpoint targets and locations, tanks and rocket launchers..Not to mention all the UN/FEMA troops covered in head to toe with bullet proof body armor..
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GIs Can Be Ordered To Wear U.N. Beret
BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
December 24, 2004
http://www.nysun.com/article/6763
A federal judge in Washington has upheld the right of the American military to place its personnel under United Nations command and force those soldiers to wear insignia designed by the world body.

The ruling from Judge Paul Friedman came in the case of a former Army specialist, Michael New, who resisted orders that he serve in a U.N. peacekeeping mission in Macedonia nearly a decade ago. He also refused, during unit muster in 1995, to wear the light blue U.N. cap and shoulder patch.

Mr. New was court-martialed for failing to obey the order to don the cap and patch. He was convicted in 1996 and given a "bad conduct" discharge from the Army. Military appeals courts upheld the decision.

In his 35-page decision filed Wednesday, Judge Friedman rejected all of the legal arguments put forth by Mr. New's attorneys. The judge said most of the ex-soldier's assertions involved thorny political disputes best left unresolved by the judiciary.

Judge Friedman wrote that trying to sort out whether the president had ceded too much authority to foreign military officers "would involve policy determinations beyond the competence of the court."

Mr. New could not be reached for comment yesterday. His father, Daniel, said his son was in Germany for the holidays.

"We're disappointed," Daniel New said. "It's not printable what I want to say." He added that an appeal is likely.

A spokesman for the Pentagon said no one was available yesterday to comment on the decision.

In the mid-1990s, Michael New's act of defiance became a cause celebre for those wary of placing American soldiers under the control of the U.N. A Web site devoted to the case, www.MikeNew.com, includes a picture of the former specialist and the words, "Michael New was right... Real Americans don't wear U.N. blue."

In legal filings, lawyers for Mr. New argued that under the Constitution and the law that governs America's involvement in the world body, the U.N. Participation Act of 1945, the president may not send American troops into possible combat under U.N. command without express authorization from Congress. The attorneys also said that under the Constitution, no American soldier was obliged to answer to a military officer who was not appointed by the president and confirmed by the Congress.

Mr. New's counsel further argued that forcing him to serve under an international army he never signed up with abridged the ex-soldier's rights against "involuntary servitude" under the 13th Amendment. Their final claim was that American soldiers could not accept the U.N. caps and shoulder patches under a constitutional provision that prohibits federal officials from taking "emoluments" from a foreign government.

Judge Friedman said those claims either had no merit or were given proper consideration by the military courts. The judge also said Mr. New could have pursued his legal points without defying his commanders. "Petitioner had numerous avenues, besides direct disobedience, by which to challenge that order," Judge Friedman wrote.

The author of a book about Mr. New's crusade, Cliff Kincaid, said the judge was right to suggest that Congress could have stepped in.

"The Congress should have done more, but Friedman should have overturned the illegal order and New's badconduct discharge," said Mr. Kincaid, whose book is entitled, "Michael New: Mercenary or American Soldier?"

Much of the initial anger over Mr. New's case was directed at President Clinton, who ordered that American forces take part in the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Macedonia. However, Mr. Kincaid and others fault President Bush for leaving the same procedures in place. "U.S. troops deployed on U.S. missions under Bush still wear U.N. markings on their uniforms, including a U.N. shoulder patch and beret. And even though they serve under a foreign U.N. commander, he insists they are still somehow under U.S. command," Mr. Kincaid said. "It doesn't add up."

A military analyst at the Brookings Institution, Michael O'Hanlon, said that if Mr. New prevailed, the president's authority to defend America would be hurt.

"You'd be undercutting our ability to work with our allies. You'd also be weakening the power of the commander in chief of the United States," he said.

Mr. O'Hanlon said the practice of putting American troops under foreign command has gone on for decades with little objection. "We've put troops temporarily under tactical foreign command in past wars, including last year's in Iraq, more than we ever did with the U.N.," he said.

The Brookings scholar criticized Mr. New and his legal team for claiming that they are adhering to the principles set forth by America's founders. "It's sort of depicted as a defense of the Constitution, but it's actually an affront to the Constitution," Mr. O'Hanlon said.

Mr. New's father said he thinks the Pentagon got a "bloody nose" from the battle with his son and now prefers to look overseas to staff U.N. missions. He described the new approach derisively: "Pakistanis and Indians are cheaper than Americans and there's no political fallout if they die. So let's just outsource it all."

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Old Jan 8th, 2005, 8:34 AM   #4
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What a revoltin' development this is. . .

. . .Our troops under U.N. control. Disgusting. As stylish as beret's are, I still prefer black as opposed to U.N. blue. . .

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Old Jan 8th, 2005, 10:00 AM   #5
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An interesting and, in my opinion, a well written article appeared in the local paper today. My only comment is that corruption (financial) exists in all institutions and governments; it always has. Those who most seek to lead men are usually those least qualified to do it. So it isn't so much whether or not corruption exists in an institution, but how it is addressed by that institution to prevent and punish.

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Old Jan 10th, 2005, 1:14 PM   #6
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It wouldn't happen. Enforcing a police state on a country where citizens have guns is incredibly difficult.
Stewey,

You are correct that it would not be an easy task! Perhaps that is why it has not happened yet. However they know where the weapons are because of the gun registration system, so they would know where to come and get them (have you seen the movie Red Dawn?). Many people would not give them up and would fight back. However due to fear and intimidation (possibly even hunger - food for guns?) many people would go along with the system if we faced a situation similar to what I described above. Needless to say I think we both agree that if it were to happen it would be a bloody mess!
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Old Jan 10th, 2005, 9:47 PM   #7
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It would be possible to take away the guns of American citizens, but it wouldn't happen overnight most likely. A smart government would take its time slowly creating more gun control laws and increasing the laws already in place by staging events such as Columbine, the Maryland Sniper, etc... People would see these horrible atrocities comitted by these people with guns and many would be happy to give theirs up "for a better cause" so none of that could happen again. The Maryland Sniper incident could actually work two ways. In one way it can make people wary of guns, and as we saw on the news, soldiers can patrol the streets getting citizens used to the site of the military on our streets in place of police. Its manipulation.

Yes there would be much resistance by people who go against the gun laws, but its common knowledge that the government has the upper hand in weapons technology and armour.
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Old Jan 11th, 2005, 9:17 AM   #8
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It would be possible to take away the guns of American citizens, but it wouldn't happen overnight most likely. A smart government would take its time slowly creating more gun control laws and increasing the laws already in place by staging events such as Columbine, the Maryland Sniper, etc... People would see these horrible atrocities comitted by these people with guns and many would be happy to give theirs up "for a better cause" so none of that could happen again. The Maryland Sniper incident could actually work two ways. In one way it can make people wary of guns, and as we saw on the news, soldiers can patrol the streets getting citizens used to the site of the military on our streets in place of police. Its manipulation.

Yes there would be much resistance by people who go against the gun laws, but its common knowledge that the government has the upper hand in weapons technology and armour.
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Old Dec 25th, 2005, 6:27 PM   #9
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First I would like to say hello to everyone on here.Second,it is goanna happen soon.The bible tells of this and with everything happening I say within the next 3 years.But American people will be the victors in it and I have no doubt in it.We just have to be mentally prepared for what is about to come onto this once great country.I think it can get delayed for a while if something is done when the first military police hit the streets.If not,then it is goanna get harder everyday from their on. But I know for a fact it is goanna happen soon and all I can say is, have the full armor of God on when that day comes and prepare to fight without fear. You will not be alone in this battle.
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Old Dec 30th, 2005, 9:21 PM   #10
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First I would like to say hello to everyone on here.Second,it is goanna happen soon.The bible tells of this and with everything happening I say within the next 3 years.But American people will be the victors in it and I have no doubt in it.We just have to be mentally prepared for what is about to come onto this once great country.I think it can get delayed for a while if something is done when the first military police hit the streets.If not,then it is goanna get harder everyday from their on. But I know for a fact it is goanna happen soon and all I can say is, have the full armor of God on when that day comes and prepare to fight without fear. You will not be alone in this battle.
Why does everyone think a police state is eminent? It won't be possible for it to happen as long as people have guns. Even with satellites, pin pointing guns is not easy. People travel and move, people that aren't registered have guns (thanks to gun shows and such). There is something like 300 million guns in America -- good luck confisgating all of those.

Maybe in a city with high gun control (Washington DC, NYC, Chicago) it may be possible, but not anywhere with low gun control.
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Americans would have to stick together in order to keep the guns. Which will be impossible. Most people would gladly give up their guns and freedom for the
"promise" heh heh of security. If anyone thinks the government will help them
in their time of need, they will be very disappointed.
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First of all, who has the numbers as to how many people are in the US military and where they are located? And if these are US government numbers than I have a hard time believing them. Low Troop numbers could be a behind the scenes invitation for some idiot somewhere to pull something really stupid, then the US would clobber them big time and yet have an excuse to occupy yet another country! The Gov can keep hollering, Low Troop numbers, too make it easier to reimpose the draft too! Be ready to hand your kids over when they start that crap.
Nevertheless, they think that they have "insurgents" in Iraq with large caches of explosives and weapons.........wait 'til they get a load of us! Remember, it's our boys and girls holding the keys to everything that the US has.
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U.S. Concentration Camps - happened before during WW2 to the Japanese Americans because they had yellow skin. HAPPENING NOW to thousands of New Orleans blacks who were 'relocated' to camps where internment and processing seems to be taking a long time.

U.S. Gun Confiscation - may or may not happen, but the most likely scenario for gun control I see from the U.S. Gov't is a ZERO TOLERANCE Policy (like the very successful Zero Tolerance on Drugs Policy) whereby any civilian use of a firearm is answered with a blanket of napalm being dropped on them (think of Vietnam). And any sort of hostage standoff situation would be dealt with by simply blowing Everyone up and sorting through the teeth to make the identification.

If this seems cold and callous, observe how municipal SWAT teams have started responding to 'escalating threats' in the US Midwest and Southwest regions. The justification is, of course, the whole Terrorism thing.

But none of this is being pushed upon the US from outside -- it is all happening from within ... frightening thought, that.
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