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    Brothels for beastiality in Germany

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    I don't even know what to say about this. How far down are people going to sink? This makes me feel sick to my stomach.


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    "Animal sex abuse is on the rise in Germany, with bestiality brothels being set up across the country, according to a state animal protection officer demanding stronger laws to protect mankind's furry and feathered friends.

    Madeleine Martin, the animal protection official for Hessian state government, said the law needed to be changed to make sex abuse of animals – known as zoophilia – a crime.

    “It is punishable to distribute animal pornography, but the act itself is not,” she told the Frankfurter Rundschau daily paper on Friday.

    “There are even animal brothels in Germany,” she said. Sex with animals was being increasingly seen as a lifestyle choice, and thus more acceptable.

    “The abuse seems to be increasingly rapidly, and the internet offers an additional distribution platform,” she said.

    She said the justice authorities had found it exceptionally difficult to convict a man from Hesse, who had offered pictures and instructions for animal sex abuse over the internet.

    “Zoophilia must be completely banned in the reformed animal protection law,” said Martin, referring to the governments plan to rework that section of the law.

    Sex with animals was banned until 1969, when the animal protection law was introduced, but failed to include a specific ban on zoophilia, the Frankfurter Rundschau said.

    Martin said the current legal situation makes it too difficult for authorities to intervene – an animal has to be shown to have massive injuries before the animal protection laws prescribe action.
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    Is the animal being abused, or do the assholes have rights as well;) Sick bastards over there!
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    A male dog fucking a woman, is that animal abuse or just fucking gross? IDK, I'd rather not think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GamerGal View Post
    A male dog fucking a woman, is that animal abuse or just fucking gross? .

    I don't know. Did the dog consent to fuck you? And yes, it's very gross. Abuse is anytime something does not consent to the act. Animals are not in the position to consent or not so it's abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenaS62 View Post
    I don't know. Did the dog consent to fuck you? And yes, it's very gross. Abuse is anytime something does not consent to the act. Animals are not in the position to consent or not so it's abuse.
    I dunno. As gross as it is to contemplate, Dogs do have a will, and the ability to maul you to
    death if they're being forced to do what they don't want to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Random View Post
    I dunno. As gross as it is to contemplate, Dogs do have a will, and the ability to maul you to
    death if they're being forced to do what they don't want to do.

    No, not really James. There was a recent case in the US where a man had sodomized a Chihuahua. A Chihuahua!!! The dog suffered major internal damage and there was not a lot he could do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenaS62 View Post
    No, not really James. There was a recent case in the US where a man had sodomized a Chihuahua. A Chihuahua!!! The dog suffered major internal damage and there was not a lot he could do about it.
    Well yes, I agree with you there. But I was more thinking that brothels would only
    be interested in big dogs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Random View Post
    I dunno. As gross as it is to contemplate, Dogs do have a will, and the ability to maul you to
    death if they're being forced to do what they don't want to do.
    Actually only few rape cases only end with the rape victim actually fighting back.
    In child molestation the amount is even lower as they are often attacked by trusted ones.

    Lack of fighting back is thus not a reliable way to judge these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jena
    I don't know. Did the dog consent to fuck you? And yes, it's very gross. Abuse is anytime something does not consent to the act. Animals are not in the position to consent or not so it's abuse.
    Yeah, that's why all those animals are "consenting" to be killed and eaten.

    Also, yes I do eat meat and I think meat is delicious/healthy/necessary (although I scrupulously choose my meat with extreme precision and try to be aware of where exactly it comes from). But then again, I'm not going to pretend that the animal I eat ever gave me its consenting permission to be devoured.
    (Although I always try to thank it... The Native American way).


    Not that these brothels aren't gross... They are disgusting. But we do worse things to animals, and apparently these worse things are more acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by pico View Post
    Is the animal being abused, or do the assholes have rights as well;) Sick bastards over there!
    Sick bastards "over there"?

    Take a look at what the sick bastards do over here.



    Did you know that a small percentage of the milk you drink is puss? This is because the udders become inflamed with too much milking, and sometimes the bruises crack.
    Enjoy that bit of information. You are welcome.

    Next time think before you try to claim high moral ground. Although, I respect your attempt.






    And once you are no longer good for laying eggs (or died from a calcium deficiency, because you were overworked to give all your calcium to eggs), you will be thrown in a heap and ground up so that customers cannot see your scars and bruises (from poor conditions and mistreatment). And voilá! Ground chicken.




    These brothels afford one luxury: Their animals are probably treated relatively well.

    If I were an animal, and I had a choice, I would rather get fucked than packed in a diseased cage, be mutilated, constantly abused, and then butchered (assuming I didn't die of malnutrition and poor living conditions).


    Yes, that's right. Devil's Advocacy to the extreme.
    However, in this case. The difference between animal abuse in brothels and animal abuse in factory farms is that we pretend we don't know where our food comes from--but a brothel like this is more blatant in purpose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    Sick bastards "over there"?

    I know exactly what we do over here. I do not eat meat. But one does not lesson the other. Both are sick.

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    Did you know that a small percentage of the milk you drink is puss? This is because the udders become inflamed with too much milking, and sometimes the bruises crack.
    Enjoy that bit of information. You are welcome.
    I doubt that rumor is true.

    Since milk is used in various products highly vulnerable for bacterial infections or contamination with antibacterial agents. Factories are very alert to this behavior.
    An farmer would risk lots of money by pulling such stunts.


    Regardless, I doubt that you would truly prefer a life of constant rape. Over an life in a animal friendly farm.

    You may point out the extremes of the bioindustry. But than you are forgetting that the bioindustry itself is just the extreme of food production and that there are animal friendly alternatives. While there is no animal friendly way to have an animal brothel.

    Besides, unlike food products. Animal sex contributes nothing to the world. So they cant really be equated with each other.
    As eating meat is an necessary evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JenaS62 View Post
    I know exactly what we do over here. I do not eat meat. But one does not lesson the other. Both are sick.
    No, I would argue that eating is not sick. It's a necessary evil.

    However, consistent abuse and utter disregard for life is disgusting. Did you know that mother milk cows often aren't even allowed to nurse their young? We just took something beautiful (the mammalian bond between a mother and her offspring) and wrecked it.

    I mean, even lions who hunt their food down and kill it... do not capture it, torture it, deprive it of everything until it wishes it were dead... And then butcher it.
    That is especially sadistic.

    And it has nothing to do with eating meat (which is fine). It has to do with an utter disregard for the beauty of life.



    (And no, I never drink (dairy) milk, consume cheese, or eat (dairy) ice cream.

    Orange juice and coconut milk are better for you anyway...)


    In fact, I would argue that what we do in these animal factories is much worse than what they do in brothels. So the hypocritical bitching is unbecoming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    No, I would argue that eating is not sick. It's a necessary evil.

    I would not be so grossed out by meat and milk if it were not for the horrific treatment we give to live creatures. I did not mean that eating was evil. Treating animals as inanimate objects is evil. And wanting to have sex with them is evil. Same old, same old to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lycanox View Post
    I doubt that rumor is true.
    A rumor bigger than the milk industry myth that it is normal (and necessary) to drink an abused animal's bodily fluids?

    However, it is not actually a rumor.

    Since milk is used in various products highly vulnerable for bacterial infections or contamination with antibacterial agents. Factories are very alert to this behavior.
    An farmer would risk lots of money by pulling such stunts.
    No.
    Milk is completely safe to consume. It has to be to pass FDA inspections. It has no contamination and has been relatively cleansed of bacteria.

    Which also means that the percentage of puss in milk is 100% safe for your consumption. You should not have a single thing to worry about.
    I did not point this out as a safety concern. You are completely safe in consuming FDA approved milk. I pointed this out as a moral concern. Mass-produced factory milk may be safe for you, but it is not really that enjoyable for the cow.

    The FDA has stated:
    "The types of somatic cells [cells that are present in pus but do not constitute pus in and of themselves] in milk are of several different types, including epithelial. Pasteurized milk produced under the requirements of the Pasteurized Milk Ordinance is safe to consume. The agency has no evidence that supports milk in US commerce is inherently unsafe, dirty or not sanitary. If you wish to offer safety data, risk analyses, or material information to the agency, please do. If you have additional concerns, please let us know. We will make every effort to address them."

    It's not contaminated per se. It's healthy to consume.

    Charles Knouse, DO, general practice physician, stated in a Aug. 18, 2009 e-mail to ProCon.org:

    "While the use of the word 'pus' is admittedly pejorative, it is nonetheless an appropriate word. To say 'white blood cells' would not convey the emotional - nor the holistic - totality of the real situation. In reality, hormone treated cows, in confined spaces, over-bred for production, denied fresh grass and over-milked, are going to be stressed and are going to have far higher rates of mastitis [infected teats] than well-cared for cows (and goats) at an organic dairy devoted to raw milk - and this WILL mean far higher counts of inflammatory cells and inflammation products in the milk - 'pus'...

    I have no trust at all in arguments from the pasteurized milk side of the debate; defending their side on the basis that all milk contains 'some' white blood cells and therefore the word 'pus' should not be used... Modest amounts of white blood cells normally found in clean, healthy milk (which are there because the faithful little helpers get EVERYWHERE looking for germs), is not the same as inflammatory cells and inflammatory products from inflamed teats and udders."
    Regardless, I doubt that you would truly prefer a life of constant rape. Over an life in a animal friendly farm.
    No, I would prefer an animal friendly farm of course. (I was saying which I would prefer between a brothel and a factory).

    But the factory farming industry is massive. Cows and chickens are a mass-produced product, and they export their meat everywhere.
    So which hurts more animals, brothels or factories? Factories. Where is the quality of life lower? Factories.

    But, obviously, if I was an animal and could choose to live anywhere... I would be wild. If I had to live with humans/be domesticated, I would live in a friendly farm or with tribal herders or something.

    You may point out the extremes of the bioindustry. But than you are forgetting that the bioindustry itself is just the extreme of food production and that there are animal friendly alternatives.
    Yes, I realize that.

    However, I'm comparing factories and brothels--not friendly farms--to make a point on hypocrisy.

    Most Westerners have, at some point, consumed mutilated and abused animal. Meaning if this brothel outrages you, then it should really outrage you to know where much of your food is coming from.

    If that doesn't outrage you, then you are unscrupulous and should shut up about the brothel.

    While there is no animal friendly way to have an animal brothel.
    That's not the point I was making.
    But that's a valid contribution, nonetheless.

    However, if farms were run the way they should be, you would have to consume far less meat. The meat would be slightly more expensive and produced in slightly lower quantities. So Westerns would have to cut back on their abnormally high meat diets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jena
    I would not be so grossed out by meat and milk if it were not for the horrific treatment we give to live creatures. I did not mean that eating was evil. Treating animals as inanimate objects is evil. And wanting to have sex with them is evil. Same old, same old to me.
    Well, then you are being consistent.

    However, I'm using general terms. I notice more Americans would be perturbed by these brothels than they are by the biofactory mechanisms that keep franchises like McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Wendy's, etc. in the black. It's time consumers be held accountable, and if the success of these businesses means anything, it means that this is where the consumer invests his/her money. (Ultimately, they're also investing in having poor health).

    How could they be so successful if they did not have such a massive supply (made possible by factory conditions) of food to meet a growing demand for their products?

    Well, you are what you eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    No, I would argue that eating is not sick. It's a necessary evil.

    However, consistent abuse and utter disregard for life is disgusting. Did you know that mother milk cows often aren't even allowed to nurse their young? We just took something beautiful (the mammalian bond between a mother and her offspring) and wrecked it.

    I mean, even lions who hunt their food down and kill it... do not capture it, torture it, deprive it of everything until it wishes it were dead... And then butcher it.
    That is especially sadistic.

    And it has nothing to do with eating meat (which is fine). It has to do with an utter disregard for the beauty of life.



    (And no, I never drink (dairy) milk, consume cheese, or eat (dairy) ice cream.

    Orange juice and coconut milk are better for you anyway...)


    In fact, I would argue that what we do in these animal factories is much worse than what they do in brothels. So the hypocritical bitching is unbecoming.
    You Americans have really devolved into the abyss if this is true. As someone who is involved with the regulation of Canadian factory farms, if you want to call them that, I know that these animals are treated very well. All animals, humans included, get sick occasionally. If PETA focused their efforts on exposing the abuses in our hospitals, you people would buy their bullshit hook, line and sinker. They could show that everyone in the hospital is crowded into waiting rooms before they are processed and then they are carted off into rooms, pumped full of drugs and left to die alone. Its bullshit.

    The peope who get into the livestock business do so because they enjoy animals. Like myself, I raise sheep because I enjoy animals (and I think they are tasty). When an animal is sick, I give it the best care I can and this may involve using antibiotics. It may get well; it may die; it may get a vet visit.

    Showing a picture of dairy calves with scours (diarrhea) as normal is simply wrong. You won't find that in the dairies I visit. Most dairies now use robotic milkers and cows get to go through whenever they feel like getting milked. Every batch of milk from every animal is tested immediately for blood/puss and antibiotics and batches are dumped when even a trace is detected. The cow is treated for mastitis if blood/puss is detected and they are removed from the production area until they recover.

    Anyway, this is really getting off topic from the original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcookcan View Post
    You Americans have really devolved into the abyss if this is true. As someone who is involved with the regulation of Canadian factory farms, if you want to call them that, I know that these animals are treated very well. All animals, humans included, get sick occasionally. If PETA focused their efforts on exposing the abuses in our hospitals, you people would buy their bullshit hook, line and sinker. They could show that everyone in the hospital is crowded into waiting rooms before they are processed and then they are carted off into rooms, pumped full of drugs and left to die alone. Its bullshit.

    The peope who get into the livestock business do so because they enjoy animals. Like myself, I raise sheep because I enjoy animals (and I think they are tasty). When an animal is sick, I give it the best care I can and this may involve using antibiotics. It may get well; it may die; it may get a vet visit.

    Showing a picture of dairy calves with scours (diarrhea) as normal is simply wrong. You won't find that in the dairies I visit. Most dairies now use robotic milkers and cows get to go through whenever they feel like getting milked. Every batch of milk from every animal is tested immediately for blood/puss and antibiotics and batches are dumped when even a trace is detected. The cow is treated for mastitis if blood/puss is detected and they are removed from the production area until they recover.
    I have a feeling that Canadian "factory" farms are less like an assembly line... And are smaller. U.S. factory farms are particularly massive.

    It's standard practice, for one, to cut off the beaks of chickens, so they don't peck each other after being forced to claustrophobia.

    Anyway, this is really getting off topic from the original post.
    No it isn't.

    The post represents brothels in a context of morality. This opened the door to morality, as it concerns animals.
    And much worse things are done to animals than brothels.

    Things that the American consumer has essentially said are okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    I have a feeling that Canadian "factory" farms are less like an assembly line... And are smaller. U.S. factory farms are particularly massive.

    It's standard practice, for one, to cut off the beaks of chickens, so they don't peck each other after being forced to claustrophobia.


    No it isn't.

    The post represents brothels in a context of morality.
    And much worse things are done to animals.
    So you would agree then that people are being abused and mutilated in our hospitals then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcookcan View Post
    So you would agree then that people are being abused and mutilated in our hospitals then...
    Are they?
    I haven't seen any evidence that they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    Are they?
    I haven't seen any evidence that they are.
    You haven't been in a waiting room? You haven't seen sick people in hospitals? You haven't heard of an amputation, transplant, surgery...
    Who's being the hypocrite...?

    And for the record, I think beastiality is sick and I agree with CT on his last post. I think its wrong to compare that with PETA's imaginary factory farming image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcookcan View Post
    You haven't been in a waiting room? You haven't seen sick people in hospitals? You haven't heard of an amputation, transplant, surgery...
    You are comparing the systematic abuse and mutilation of animals (who are even denied the pleasure of raising their offspring)... To medical methods that exist to save lives rather than destroy them.



    So to that comparison I say....

    Who's being the hypocrite...?
    Who is being an irrational idiot for proposing an illogical syllogism?

    And for the record, I think beastiality is sick and I agree with CT on his last post. I think its wrong to compare that with PETA's imaginary factory farming image.
    Apparently you didn't understand CT's last post. Both things that he describes would occur within brothels. He is saying there is a difference between a dog consciously doing something to you... And an animal being submitted against its will to something being done to it.


    Has nothing to do with animals being abused in factories. That is not the comparison CT made. Unless you think PETA has said dogs are raped in factory farms.

    I'm pretty sure PETA has not made that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    You are comparing the systematic abuse and mutilation of animals (who are even denied the pleasure of raising their offspring)... To medical methods that exist to save lives rather than destroy them.



    So to that comparison I say....



    Who is being an irrational idiot for proposing an illogical syllogism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatnik Bob View Post
    No, I would argue that eating is not sick. It's a necessary evil.

    However, consistent abuse and utter disregard for life is disgusting. Did you know that mother milk cows often aren't even allowed to nurse their young? We just took something beautiful (the mammalian bond between a mother and her offspring) and wrecked it.

    I mean, even lions who hunt their food down and kill it... do not capture it, torture it, deprive it of everything until it wishes it were dead... And then butcher it.
    That is especially sadistic.

    And it has nothing to do with eating meat (which is fine). It has to do with an utter disregard for the beauty of life.

    Great explanation.



    (And no, I never drink (dairy) milk, consume cheese, or eat (dairy) ice cream.

    Orange juice and coconut milk are better for you anyway...)

    That's awesome.


    In fact, I would argue that what we do in these animal factories is much worse than what they do in brothels. So the hypocritical bitching is unbecoming.

    I think the argument is hard to fathom either way. Animals being abused and harmed in brothels is not that dissimilar to the same inhumanity done to children in brothels. But people, most anyway, don't worry too much about that. At least they get fed, right?

    Not really. Some I think would prefer death. Not I, personally. But some, most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcookcan View Post
    Thank you. My point has been understood.
    Your non-point.

    No, there was nothing available for review to reach any conclusion (save for the three conclusions at the end of this post).
    You compared medical practices designed to save lives to industrial farms.
    That's an illogical comparison. If you think it's logical, then show me the syllogism.

    I on the other hand, compared animal mutilation and animal torture to animal rape.

    Here are the similarities:

    -Torture is painful and occurs without the animal's consent. (People give their consent to be operated on in hospitals).
    Rape is painful and occurs without the animal's consent.


    -Mutilation is painful and occurs without the animal's consent. (People give their consent to be operated on in hospitals).
    Rape is painful and occurs without the animal's consent.


    -Torture and mutilation are a form of abuse. Depriving a mammal of its young is a form of abuse. Overworking an animal until death is a form of abuse.
    Rape is a form of abuse. Therefore, both are forms of abuse which lower the quality of life, and are painful.

    -Brothels of bestiality and industrial farms (while the second receives relatively less derision) exist to abuse the animal and ruin its quality of life. (Hospitals exist on the principle of life preservation).

    One conclusion: People who eat mass-produced meat/eat mass produced eggs from industrial farms and oppose the abuse of animals (of which rape is a form of abuse) are hypocrites.

    Second conclusion: People who oppose bestiality, industrial farms, or other places in which animals are abused (or other forms of animal abuse) are not hypocrites.

    Third conclusion: People who equate consenting individuals undergoing a procedure that is designed to save their life with the abuse of animals are idiots.
    Poetry is superior to history -Aristotle
    True time is four dimensional -Heidegger
    All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players -Shakespeare

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