Real Costs Of Console Game Systems

[GamerGal]

The Nintendo Wii costs 200, right? WRONG
It sucks as a single player console, you NEED others. So another controller? 50 dollars. Oh and you need rechargable batteries, with the set, comes about 30 dollars. And if you don't have a wirelesss router? It doesn't have an ethernet connection. It has built in Wifi but that doesn't do you good if you don't have a wireless router. You'll need a Wii Lan Adapter for 25 and a cable for 10.
So true cost of a Wii? 315. Not bad. Oh what? You like thousands of others(Including one on LIVE television on HSN) have smashed your television with a Wiimote? So that will set you back 800-1400.

Xbox 360(Elite) 300. You could buy the Arcade for 200 but... it doesn't come with an HD. If you want a HD with the Arcade? 150 for the 120g that comes with the Elite. But now you need a second controller, 50. Again need the batteries, so another 30. Want wirless internet? That's 100 dollars! Not built in, that's right, no wireless built in, you need too spend 100 dollars more for that. And for playing online you need 50 a year. And an HDMI cable if you want HD, some go as cheap as 15. But you'll want the extended warrenty since 50-70% of 360s have died from RROD or E74crash so that's an extra what, 40? Not too mention the frustration of having no system while you mail it back, wait for its fix, and wait for it being shipped back. And do that all over again, and again, and again.
So true cost of 360? 520 for Elite, 570 for Arcade

PS3 Slim 300. Extra controller, 50. HDMI cable, 15. Uh... don't need batteries since they recharge through cable connected to the PS3, don't need an adapter for LAN or WIFI connections since it comes with both. Internet if free.
So true cost of PS3? 365.

So in the end? If you want the cheapest system, the PS3 is the cheapest.

[TNAfan121]

And what if you want more than 20 games? lol, PS3.

[GamerGal]

PS3 has thousands of games if you have an older one with backwards compat. Unlike 360 or Wii.

Also, the new one that isn't backwards compat has dozens of exclusives better then the exclusives on the competition. And even better? When a game does go from say, 360 to the PS3, the PS3 version is always better because they add levels, items, DLC, all kinds of stuff. Bioshock being a main case for this.

[DontBeAfraid]

PS3 has thousands of games if you have an older one with backwards compat. Unlike 360 or Wii.

Actually dipshit, both of those have backwards compatibility. The Wii can play ALL GAMECUBE GAMES and you can download tons of old console games for MANY systems, not just nintendo systems. And they dont make or sell the old backwards compatible ps3's anymore so if you want one you have to take your chances on ebay.

[Defiant Noquisi]

"Real Costs Of Console Game Systems"

Too much!

That is all.

I have a PS2 I haven't fingered out how to play, lol.

[Assassin X]

Actually your wrong GG, so my cost from what I looked up would be:
360 Arcade (w/ 1 controller): $200
3rd Party Recharge Kit for 1st controller: $10
Extra Controller (3rd Party): $5
20Gig HD : $35
TOTAL: $250

CHEAPER THEN YOUR PS3 BY $115!!! LOL.

See heres whats wrong with your thing about 360. For one you don't need Wifi. Its optional. An ethernet cord works fine. Wireless is just for picky people. Its an added expense. So thats one deduction in price.

Second is the batteries for the controllers. Just buy wired. Wires are not that big of a deal unless your a slob. I find it sad that people need wireless because they are so slobby that somehow the cords get in their way. Sad.

Third the HD cord. MS sells a cord but you don't have to use it. Its crappy. Sony sells a cord for PS3 and its crappy too. So deduct that also. If you want to make sure your REALLY getting your moneys worth from your "HDTV" then you buy a HDMI Monster Cord.

Lastly you'll notice my list composes of 3rd party stuff (besides the 360 itself). Only an idiot buys MS only components. Sure I so once in awhile. But Why would I buy a $50 controller when I can get a $5 controller on Ebay that lasts the same amount of time and actually feels more comfortable?

SO in short...while your paying $365 for your expensive PS3. I am spending my money wisely, looking for deals and thinking about everything and only spending $250. Hells thats cheaper then Wii since theres always some gizmo they want you to buy for it.

BTW as for the Live costing $50 a year. In case you didn't notice Sonys talking about charging anywhere from $15-$50 also now for PS3s "online service". Guess it sucks to be PS3 owners who thought they had it good. Did ya really think PS3 would give out all they have been doing for free...forever? Shit cost money. They seen MS screwing us over and figured "Damn, we could make money too!"

[DontBeAfraid]

If you are a little tech savvy, and I know you are AssX, you can use an old linksys router with a flashed bios as a wifi connector for your 360.

[GamerGal]

Assx, a 20 gig hd? So a hundred smaller then the PS3 version? Yeah, that's worth buying a system.

Also DBA ALL PS3s play PS3 and PS1 games. Some PS3s play PS2 games, and the ones that can't can d/l them.

[DontBeAfraid]

Some PS3s play PS2 games, and the ones that can't can d/l them.

lol... It wasnt an issue of not being able to read the discs. It was an issue of the emulator that the ps3 used to play ps2 games was too slow so they removed it. That means that downloading the ps2 games would still be useless.

[Assassin X]

If you are a little tech savvy, and I know you are AssX, you can use an old linksys router with a flashed bios as a wifi connector for your 360.

Well if you wanted to use wifi with your 360 theres any good amount of routers that work with it. But the problem alot of people have had recently is with more and more updates it seem the routers keep disconnecting them. So they end up either having to find a VERY specific router that works right or they just buy the MS one. Its why I just stick to the ethernet cord. No worries about a silly wifi connection. Course I'm sure GG will will rip this apart.

Assx, a 20 gig hd? So a hundred smaller then the PS3 version? Yeah, that's worth buying a system.

Ok GG. Lets do this then. Lets make it a 120Gig HD. On Ebay there only $60. That now makes the total $310. Its still $55 cheaper then your PS3 package! lol. I still win. :)

Mind you I seen a package on Ebay for:
Arcade 360, 4 controllers (wireless), 120 gig hd, 4 games, HD cables, 1200 point card, Cooling Fan for the back, Wifi Router and 2 Extra Face Plates. It was only $350. That still kicks your PS3 packages ass. :)

I should mention even though I don't like wireless controllers you can use the wire recharger and leave them plugged in just like they are wired! So you don't need batteries or to even charge them.

Also DBA ALL PS3s play PS3 and PS1 games. Some PS3s play PS2 games, and the ones that can't can d/l them.

BTW whats the point of it playing those games? People often say "Xbox sucks cause it can't play all the original Xbox games!" Then they point out PS3 can play all its original games or you can download them. Well...I can top that.

I own 360 and don't bother with PS1, PS2 or Xbox games. Why? Cause while you think your PS2 is amazing. I am emulating ALL your PS1, PS2 and Xbox games on my PC. lol. Why do I need he PS3 or Xbox 360 again to play old games? Thats what computers are for. :)

The only thing I'll ever admit PS3 is good at is it can on rare occasions pull off some nice graphics. Only on exclusive games though. Which don't seem that often. Other then that its been proven it can't compete when having to produce better graphics with a game thats also on 360. Don't believe check out comparison tests that have been done. PS3 rarley ever has better graphics.

PS3 = Fail. People often think its better because it costs more. Nope. It only costs more because it has Blu-Lame built in. Without it, it would be the same if not cheaper then 360. You can claim Blu-Lame is amazing but its already been proven there too that Blu-Ray gives you a 10%-15% increase in picture quality. WOW! 15% Thats worth wasting my money to rebuy my whole collection. lol. Think I'll stick with DVDs.

Admittedly I only like it for its capacity size when it comes to games. And... you know what. Thats PS3's second thing I like. They can at least use blu-Lame to fit more stuff in games. Sadly though apparently theres no much to do on PS3 so Blu-Lame is kinda pointless. But hey at least you guys will get your new EyeToy thingy, even though Natal looks 100x better. It may be a rip off of Wiis thing but ours at least has tons of possibilities. Sonys looks like they were puzzled as where they were going with it.

And did I mention already the fact you soon have to pay for your PS3 online service? THats funny as hell to me. :)

[GamerGal]

Also, PS3 has lots of exclusives. 360 has NONE. Any game 360 can play a PC can play better and LEGALLY.

Also, I love my Xbox. I love Fable and the first Halo. Why I still have it. Also the Xbox works, unlike the 360. 37% by Microsoft, 50%+ by Gamespot figures, and over 70% of ones in England.
The dread Red Ring of Death has long been a feature of Xbox 360 ownership, but a recent survey reveals the shocking truth: the console boasts a failure rate of 54.2%, compared to 10.6% for the PS3 and 6.8% for the Wii.

Microsoft of course never releases statistics on its returns rate, so it has taken a third party survey to uncover the apparent rate. In this case, rag Game Informer surveyed 5,000 readers, asking them about the failure rates of the consoles they owned.

Microsoft’s notorious customer support and warranty system (the subject of a class action lawsuit which forced them to extend Xbox 360 warranties) also come in for criticism: the average turnaround for one of the broken consoles was nearly a month, whilst Nintendo and Sony managed a week. Satisfaction with Microsoft’s support was also a good deal less than with the others.

However, Microsoft’s blasé attitude to the pathetic reliability of its console appears justified: only 3.8% of Xbox 360 owners would never buy another Xbox because of failure.

I would link the site but it has a ad from a website that has nudity so won't.

Oh wait, it's 54% just from RROD...
Microsoft has released a new bug for their successful Xbox 360 console, complementing the popular “Red Ring of Death”, which for years has been ensuring a steady stream of broken consoles are supplied to end users.

The new bug, known only as “E76”, adds an exciting new graphical element to the business of sending consoles to Microsoft’s support centers; Microsoft describe the problem:

“One part of the power LED lights up, but additionally the error message ‘E76’ will be displayed on screen. The cause is quite different to that of the ‘Red Ring of Death’.”
Microsoft asks that those afflicted send their consoles to a support centre in the usual fashion.

The hardware defect is already proving popular, with Google Trends data showing a sharp and sudden increase in incidences of the issue from a zero starting point, starting August of 2008.

Oh here is a site I can link to!
The latest issue of Game Informer contains a surprising statistic for anyone who's ever loved and lost their Microsoft-branded home console – according to their survey, in which over 5,000 console owners participated, the Xbox 360's current failure rate due to the Red Ring of Death, E74 or other hardware failure is 54.2 percent. They also calculated the relative death toll for PS3s due to the Yellow Light of Death (10.3 percent) and Wiis, due to ... well, we're not actually sure what color the Wii's light turns to upon its demise (6.8 percent).

Unfortunately, for having the highest failure rate, survey participants also pinned Microsoft for having the least helpful customer service representatives. Not that it matters – later in the survey, only 3.8 percent of participants said they'd never buy another Xbox 360 due to its high failure rate.

Speaking of which, we're not sure what future techno-utopia this poll was conducted in, but a 54.2 percent Xbox 360 failure rate sounds awfully low. Had the survey's participants been comprised entirely of Joystiq staffers, it would have been a bone-chilling 100 percent.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/17/ga...-failure-rate/

And more about how over 50%, and some questionaires of 360 owners showing over 60% failure rate.

http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/200...0-failure-rat/

Also, Microsoft KNEW they were putting out a POS system.
Takahashi gives an overview on how Microsoft Execs knowingly gave the go ahead for production of the Xbox 360 despite being aware of the high failure rate. It was all due to a race to beat Sony to the market for control of the living room.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/06/i...e-rate-was-68/

http://www.fearlessgamer.com/2009/08...-rate-over-50/

Microsoft doesn't deny it is a POS!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/m...e-rate-report/

CheapyD of Cheap Ass Gamer had posted a new poll asking Xbox 360 owners if their consoles had failed. On the CAGcast 110 podcast this week, he reveals the results. Out of a whopping 3000-plus respondents to his poll -- all of the respondents are site registrants and all responses are made public -- the percentage of users whose Xbox 360 had died was nearly 60 percent. Sixty percent! He goes on to say that if you count the number of units that had died the system failure rate is actually 70% due to some people having had multiple 360's die on them.

This is a stupendous number, something that CheapyD and Wombat readily admit is a horrendous embarassment to Microsoft. The kicker? Microsoft still hasn't fixed the problem yet... http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-120856.aspx

I know, 1 out of every 1 360 being a POS doesn't matter, you love sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting months for it too ship out and come back.

[Cartesiantheater]

Originally Posted by GamerGal

Also, PS3 has lots of exclusives. 360 has NONE. Any game 360 can play a PC can play better and LEGALLY.

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[DontBeAfraid]

GG, those polls arent from a "random" sample. The only way for them to actually be meaningful in any kind of statistical fashion would be for every person who owns an xbox to have the exact same probability of being polled. For those polls the people participating are self selecting. Obviously a person who has had the hardware failure happen is going to be much more likely to self select for a poll about the hardware failure.

[pico]

I have a PS3 and my kids have a Wii. The Wii gets used all the time, since games are easily found used, anad are typically cheaper new. While the graphics are poor compared to the PS3, you can get a little bit of a workout while on the Wii.

The PS3 takes the place of a stand alone blu-ray player, so that drops the cost on upgrading that device by around $150 these days. The games are typically targetted at the adult segment, so PS3 really is killing themselves by not going after the younger crowd... as in young children. The system should be around a few more years, so they should have hit the younger crowd to get them onto the system.

[Assassin X]

I'll never understand the argument with the RROD. "360 RRODS there for it sucks!".

Ok? Well cars breaks therefor they suck. lol. 360 RRODS yet its liked more then PS3. Nuff said. And anyways we already know MS has admitted this mistake and fixed it. Better question is would Sony do that? Sony doesn't have billions behind it like MS does so to speak. MS be greedy at times but non the less their methods get them money. Sony on the other hand breaks even. Hence why they now are going to charge for their online service.

As for exclusives. As with this argument we've discussed this before. 360 has exclusives out the ass. No one cares to admit though because then PS3 and Wii look like bottom of the pond scum. People will constantly say "Well I can find Halo on PC!". K? Microsoft does computers....DUH.

How do you think they got into gaming consoles? There exclusives were just pc games you might say. Then they made a console. Now they have the ability to release a game on both systems (PC/360) and make money off of both! While PS3 and Wii can't. They are stuck on one system.

Face it. People will never admit 360 has exclusives because those people are fanboys and can't admit PS3 is a failure. Despite some setbacks at first with 360, it still is liked more. In tests it performs better. Online it has more. Facts speak for themselves. :P

[Cartesiantheater]

When Microsoft gives a good warranty for their fall-apart-prone 360, I'll buy my own instead of occasionally playing games on other people's. It's not so much that their hardware occasionally breaks, it's that they try everything in their power to fuck you over when it DOES happen.

If your 360 broke due to their failure to engineer it, you shouldn't have to pay a SINGLE PENNY, including shipping and handling. When THAT is the warranty, that's when I'll get one. (brother had to pay $100 dollars to have them fix it. That is GARBAGE in my book)

[Smoke]

Originally Posted by Cartesiantheater

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sucsessful!...troll was sucsessful!

[Assassin X]

They fix RROD 360s. Its really the only problem they fix. Now....lets say you owned a 360 since day one and today it RROD...well your screwed. DO I think thats right? Not sure. If its lasted this long then your doing good in general. Most systems only last a few years anyways. They are under no contract to fix something thats a few years old. Even if its a RROD. If my TV breaks 5 years from now its not Westinghouses problem. Things are only covered for 1 year usually.

As for 360 they did give everyone a extra 1 (or was it 2) year of coverage just for the RROD error. If someone has a RROD and they didn't fix it then there is a reason. Either their system has been around since day one OR they RROD it due to neglect. There have been cases of people who had a system RROD because they don't properly have is setup. In that case I am with MS in agreeing its not their problem. If you can't learn to cool and keep your 360 (or any system) in the right conditions then you shoulnd't own one.

Good example is a guy I know online. He played some game for 2 days (obviously took a break or two but left it on). He had his on the carpet in a warm room (during summer). It RROD. MS didn't fix it to him. Mostly because he was dumb enough to mention the circumstances. lol

[Cartesiantheater]

Originally Posted by Assassin X

They fix RROD 360s. Its really the only problem they fix. Now....lets say you owned a 360 since day one and today it RROD...well your screwed. DO I think thats right? Not sure. If its lasted this long then your doing good in general. Most systems only last a few years anyways. They are under no contract to fix something thats a few years old. Even if its a RROD. If my TV breaks 5 years from now its not Westinghouses problem. Things are only covered for 1 year usually.

As for 360 they did give everyone a extra 1 (or was it 2) year of coverage just for the RROD error. If someone has a RROD and they didn't fix it then there is a reason. Either their system has been around since day one OR they RROD it due to neglect. There have been cases of people who had a system RROD because they don't properly have is setup. In that case I am with MS in agreeing its not their problem. If you can't learn to cool and keep your 360 (or any system) in the right conditions then you shoulnd't own one.

Good example is a guy I know online. He played some game for 2 days (obviously took a break or two but left it on). He had his on the carpet in a warm room (during summer). It RROD. MS didn't fix it to him. Mostly because he was dumb enough to mention the circumstances. lol

Even if you take care of it, they still charge you 100 bucks to fix that. My brother is very tech savvy, and he only used it once or twice a week. In addition, he had the MS fan for the damn thing, AND it was relatively new.

He was still forced to pay to have the fix their fuck up. That is bullshit.

[Assassin X]

I've gone through 4 systems now. They fixed all of them except the last one. My first went within a month of getting one. They sent me back a refurb which then died a week later. They sent me back another one that died a month later. lol. The next one lasted until November 09. I was just about 3 months out of the RROD warranty. I knew it too. So I bought a new one and got a plan through Bets Buy instead for two years. :)

The only time they don't fix RROD is:
1. If its out of warrenty.
2. If its not really the RROD. Many people mistake other RED lights paterns for the RROD.
3. If people purposely killed their system to get a new one (they can check).

Theres been way to many cases of #2 and #3. Especially #3. Alot of people have been known to overheat their system thats a few years old just so they can RROD it and get a new one. Then when MS finds out they get mad because they have to pay to fix it.

I should mention though. You don't have to fix it. They will ship it back to you. You can always buy a new one. Matter of fact if your brother was smart he would have thrown his 360 away and bought a new one with the Jasper chip in it. All they do when they fix it is either send you yours back or someone elses. And that just means it will RROD again. They never actually fix the RROD problem at the root.

Its why I didn't pay get my last one fixed. I got the new models. I've yet to evne have it get hot.

[MetalMilitia]

I'll start off with my normal rant... having access to every system is what real gamers do. That being said...

And what if you want more than 20 games? lol, PS3.

We have covered this so many times it's pointless. Exclusive vs exclusive you can rationalize all you want, but I still say any 360 game that ends up on pc isn't exclusive.... Still waiting on metal gear 4 and god of war to be announced on pc (who knows, could happen, keep dreaming)

Face it. People will never admit 360 has exclusives because those people are fanboys and can't admit PS3 is a failure. Despite some setbacks at first with 360, it still is liked more. In tests it performs better. Online it has more. Facts speak for themselves. :P

So blind... get past gears of war (on pc) get past halo (on pc) get past fable (coming to pc) get past mass effect1/2 (both on pc) get past left 4 dead (on pc) and I dunno what the fuck yer talking about.

If ps3 is failure, then why the hell was Demon's Souls voted and chose #1 GOTY on multiple gaming sites? Not to mention how sweet the online is, raiding other peoples worlds and viewing how they died.... it's friggen ridiculous. Oh yeah, tons of other sites chose uncharted 2 as GOTY.

Must be fail right?

Originally Posted by Assassin X

I've gone through 4 systems now.

Heh.... Speaks for itself. Whatever you said after that was just making the point they fail a lot. AKA digging yourself a hole.

I like trojans, but if those condoms "failed" 4 times, I may think about changing brands ;)

The only time they don't fix RROD is:
1. If its out of warrenty.
2. If its not really the RROD. Many people mistake other RED lights paterns for the RROD.
3. If people purposely killed their system to get a new one (they can check).

Having it die on day 366 on a 365 day warranty isn't a great strategy then is it. Also, purposely kill? I never turn this PC off. Had it like 2+ years now, and it's maybe been off a dozen times.

During AC2 I left my ps3 on for about 2-3 days and it didn't fail or break anything. This whole debate is stupid, because the RROD is proven - generates TONS of problems, and the only people that get mad are the 360 fanboys. You're trying to defend something and you're on your 4th one....

Imagine if that was a pacemaker or the brakes on your car. You'd still go back to the same place after it failed 3 previous times?

Its why I didn't pay get my last one fixed. I got the new models. I've yet to evne have it get hot.

First generation ps3, never gotten a new one or had a single problem. Microsoft needs to do better next time before the release, and STRESS TEST ( can't emphasize that enough, they know how crazy gamers can be) their system to the extent of a PC (which you would THINK they would do) - either that, or use some of that MS money and bribe a few sony developers to figure it out. We're talking about a new game coming out.... and you got the day off from work or something - the goddamn thing better not overheat/ conk out after a few hours. They know we are psychotic gamers, and they should realize that we don't stop after an hour or two. Stupid logic.....

I have no doubt microsoft could crush sony/nintendo in the next console wars - but it's a moot point. The 360 is easily replaced by a casual gaming pc in almost every aspect, and the fail rate is so much that even talking about it pisses off 360 fans. They still defend a product that has failed 4 times.

Where's the real fail?



I play a 360 at a friends, his has failed twice. Every game I played or seen looked and played better on PC (where applicable) and there is nothing special about it. I wouldn't buy one based on the track record of shit breaking and hearing stories of people having to wait and pay to get it fixed. If I was on my 4th TV right now, i'd be so mad I would likely drive to the LG headquarters just to scream at them.

[Assassin X]

So blind... get past gears of war (on pc) get past halo (on pc) get past fable (coming to pc) get past mass effect1/2 (both on pc) get past left 4 dead (on pc) and I dunno what the fuck yer talking about.

Halo, GOW are MS games. Being played on computers which are MS. I'll say it how I read it in a magazine. "If it comes out on 360 and PC but it is NOT out PS3 or Wii then its an exclusive."

And in the gaming world thats all that matters. There are three companies. MS, Sony and Nintendo. If just one has the game then its an exclusive. And multiple times its been pointed out that when its 360 that claims to have exclusive that its even better news for them since quote "They are pcs!". But yes I won't debate anymore about that.

If ps3 is failure, then why the hell was Demon's Souls voted and chose #1 GOTY on multiple gaming sites? Not to mention how sweet the online is, raiding other peoples worlds and viewing how they died.... it's friggen ridiculous. Oh yeah, tons of other sites chose uncharted 2 as GOTY.

Well for one it all depends on where you get your info. I'm not disagreeing. I seen sites that show what you say. I'm just saying various sites show different things. Which leads to point two. Bias. If theres one thing I've learned about reviews, lists and stuff like that it is to like at the people behind them.

Being someone who reads alot of game magazines I know which ones are biased towards which systems (such as Game Informer for example). So they will more likely vote for a GOTY from a system they prefer. Doesn't mean sometimes they aren't right. Just saying. You need to know the sources.

Another point is GOTY never meant much anyways, its just an opinion. I've seen games on 360 that are supposedly amazing that I think suck. When I had PS2 and thought it was amazing there was this one game that Gamefaqs.com said was GOTY and I thought it was junk.

Lastly while GOTY might mean something to some people there are times when overall the list speaks louder then the main title. Example Game Informer says "Uncharted 2" is GOTY. Yet in all their other "Top 5" catagories almost every other game is a 360 game (except for 2 wii games). TO me that speaks louder then a single GOTY. That says 360 has more top games then PS3 does. I want to buy a system that has lots of games to play not just one GOTY. So far my PS3 list of games has about 20 game son it. My 360 list of games I've rented? Over 220. And yes no need to tell me I need a life.

I like trojans, but if those condoms "failed" 4 times, I may think about changing brands ;)

Well like stated it happened in about a few months period. Just because something has a problem doesn't mean its still bad. MS has fixed it. And when I did look at the alternative it sucked. Wii, which I tried was boring. And PS3 had nothing to offer. For one it forces you to buy a blu-lame player. Theres not enough games I like. The online service sucked on PS2, and while I know its better now they are charging for it soon. Why would I want to pay for it on there when I could pay for better service on 360?

Some other factors are it has a horrid replacement plan.....oh none. The company never was innovative enough for me.

Trust me. Theres alot I hate about MS. But at the same time they still do shit on 360 that makes me happy and keeps me here. I may bitch but when I play on PS3 it makes me glad I stuck with 360. With the exception of the blu-lame. While it sucks for movies. I do want it just for game capacity...and as a "Separate" attachment.

Having it die on day 366 on a 365 day warranty isn't a great strategy then is it. Also, purposely kill? I never turn this PC off. Had it like 2+ years now, and it's maybe been off a dozen times.

I think you get about two years of coverage with 360 last I checked. 1 year standard warranty (including RROD). Then after that expires you get an extra year of ROOD coverage just in case. But there aren't suppose to be any more RRODs with the new models. I've yet to have one with this new one.

And yeah PCS are just better period. I never have to turn mine off unless I'm forced too.

First generation ps3, never gotten a new one or had a single problem. Microsoft needs to do better next time before the release,

I'm definitely not saying I don't agree. I think MS royally fucked up when they released it. They were in a rush to beat PS3 on the shelf. While I have a 360 this time. Next console war I am going to see if they release early again, if they do I'll wait for the next Sony system. Just because while I am happy they fixed this, I was not happy having to wait 2 weeks at a time while my console when out and came back....MULTIPLE times. >.<

I don't want to pretend that I love MS. They suck alot of times. Especially at the beginning of all this. But now I don't mind them. I can't wait to see the battle with Sony when it comes to Natal and...well whatever Sony is calling theirs.

I have no doubt microsoft could crush sony/nintendo in the next console wars - but it's a moot point. The 360 is easily replaced by a casual gaming pc in almost every aspect, and the fail rate is so much that even talking about it pisses off 360 fans. They still defend a product that has failed 4 times.

Where's the real fail?

I enjoy my new pc. But I mainly use it for certain shooters. Its just more cost effective to have a game console though. I don't need to upgrade it and games I can rent. Sure the graphics never get better. But thats always the biggest thing. Alot of people prefer PCs over consoles. I use to myself. But those people usually either graphic nerds are tech nerds who don't like the gaming as much as they do upgrading their pcs all the time for the newest games.

I only bought a 360 because sadly my 360 produced better graphics then my PC at the time. >.< And also there was the fact that you can't enjoy having people over to play games on a PC. Not easily anyways. Also not a 42inch screen...not for me at least. Its a shared PC in a small room. So now I play games on both PC and 360.

And as for the fail rate. I never get what the big deal is. I mean yes I was annoyed because it happened to me. But it was fixed. Sure until they fixed it my system died multiple times. But it was fixed non the less. When a system is this good you can forgive its mistakes. If I had a PS3 that died on me once I'd not a get a new one. Theres nothing that would keep me from wanting to waste money on another one.

Thats the key difference. 360 appeals to me...and others. And its evident. Despite all the 360 has gone through with the RROD ordeal people still stick with it and its still giving PS3 a run for its money. So much so that PS3 has to charge for its online. Apparently they don't have enough customers to afford a free service anymore.

I play a 360 at a friends, his has failed twice. Every game I played or seen looked and played better on PC (where applicable) and there is nothing special about it. I wouldn't buy one based on the track record of shit breaking and hearing stories of people having to wait and pay to get it fixed. If I was on my 4th TV right now, i'd be so mad I would likely drive to the LG headquarters just to scream at them.

Thats the other thing though. People kep talking about the RROD as if its still some chaotic on going thing. The Jasper chip is out. The only systems that really should RROD is the older models. Theres no reason for anyone to fear buying one now. People are just being stupid and filling other peoples heads with worries about 360s when they don't know what they are talking about. You can buy a new system and it shouldn't RROD if it has the Jasper chip.

As for anything special. Not that I really want to start making lists:
1. Last Fm radio
2. Facebook
3. Zune player (plays your stuff)
4. WMC, also streams your stuff from your pc.
5. Can install games from disc.
6. Download addons, patches, mods...etc for games.
7. Download Indie games and Arcade games (recently Serious Sam, Perfect Dark coming soon..N64 version).
8. Download Themes and Gamer Pics.
9. Download and watch movies, tv shows, music videos, game videos
10. Netflix (different the the above)
11. Friends lists who you can chat with, game with, watch netflix with, create parties with, talk with among other things.
12. Camera which in itself has its own features like you can use it in games.
13. Halo Waypoint. Form here you can access immense amount of Halo Stuff from videos, pictures, text (Free mind you).
14. Avatars. Which also have downloadable stuff and stuff you can unlock through gaming.
15. XNA creator for creating your own games to make money on XBox Live.
16. The ability to use your Gamertag on 360 AND on PC so you can earn gamerscore between the two, among the same xbox stuff but on PC.
17. Did I mentioned access and cool content from events like E3, Tokyo Game Show, Comic Con and all that.
18. Demos.
19. One Vs 100 where you can earn prizes.
20. Tons of events every day such as playing with famous people, developers...etc.
21. Reports on various things like games. News. Hints/Tips. All kinds of things.
22. Customizable system and accs.

Theres still alot of stuff I didn't mention. I don't even take advantage of all there is because theres just so much. Like with the friends stuff. Thres so much you can do with friends its crazy. Or with events and stuff. Like last week you could play Modern Warfare 2 with some of the Suicide Girls. A few weeks before that I remember it was Ice Cube or something. Theres alot to do on there, see, download...etc. You aren't going to see it in one sitting. I've played the PS3 alot now and while it has some things like 360 I didn't think it was as big in scale. Sure obviously there were a few thinks I like such as how you can actually DO things with your "avatar". But in the end 360 just has more to do.

Its more of a social, fun, entertainment box. Yes you could say its a computer. But people have always said 360 never said it was 100% gaming console. Its always had those PC genes in it. (yes we know its graphics aren't amazing). But no one cares about those.

[GamerGal]

Originally Posted by Assassin X

I've gone through 4 systems now.

So I win. I have a first gen PS3. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. The closest I had was my TV couldn't handle it lol. Oh and finding a fourth Little SIster in Bioshock on a level that only had 3. It kept telling me I hadn't found them all when I left even though I found 4 out of 3. But that was the game, not the system.

And as God just said, 360 has 0 exclusives. PS3 has dozens. And the ones that aren't exclusive are better because they have more stuff. Bioshock being my favorite example.

[Smoke]

Originally Posted by GamerGal

So I win. I have a first gen PS3. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. The closest I had was my TV couldn't handle it lol. Oh and finding a fourth Little SIster in Bioshock on a level that only had 3. It kept telling me I hadn't found them all when I left even though I found 4 out of 3. But that was the game, not the system.

And as God just said, 360 has 0 exclusives. PS3 has dozens. And the ones that aren't exclusive are better because they have more stuff. Bioshock being my favorite example.

Ps3 is junk..lol...I've had my 360 for 3 years..and ive brought it on planes..and long distance bus rides ..and it still works...come off it..you make it seem way worse than it is.

[GamerGal]

I do? Uh, MS ADMITS to over 37% FOR JUST RROD!!!! Gamespot and other game stroes say its over 50% failure rate when you account for E76 and disc eating and other failures. Other polls show OVER 70%!!!!! When MS was asked about higher numbers, they don't deny it either.