One World Government

[AngelTV]

It has been awhile since I lasted posted. I have been very busy travelling and have not had a chance to stay in touch with this revered forum. I apologise to my fellow posters. I am enjoying my trip and am having a good Craic at the moment. Just a quick post for you to respond to.
I have been hearing lots of references from conspiracist about the NWO and the One World Government. Sorry Prez but off loading the problems of the world on the Illumnati and the Orders is stereotyping at its worst. There is good and bad in everything so a more balanced view is required. I am seeing media manipulation of liberal leftist and right wing conservatives through bias reporting and irresponsible allegations. I see people’s opinions swayed by isolated incidences and what surprises me is that the so-called “intellectuals” are so wrapped up their moral cause that they totally ignore any suggestion of biasness.
There cannot be a “Democratic” One World Government. Think about it. Unless an unfair Gerrymander (sp?) is in place the majority votes would go to the Third World, India and China or a coalition of a similar make. The US or the so called bad guys would not be able to get control of such a government. They would hate a Fair Democratic One World Government. The power would be taken away from the industrialised world and given to the masses of poor and unfortunates. Sounds like a conspiracy. Take from the rich and powerful and give to the poor….
Common sense is needed at times like these. Balanced views and subjective thoughts.
Sorry if I don’t reply to quickly as I am off again soon. Promise though as soon as I find time I will be a contributor again. Miss you all and I have still been reading the post and good to see the level that this forum has achieved.

[playmaker88]

Surely for a OWG to survive it would need to be quite secretive. Who is in on it? Every four or five years most countries in the world change political parties, one big political merry-go-round. They can't all be involved in the conspiracies.

[DarkAce]

Ohhh but you forget they all have royal lineage and are possessed by reptile humanoids the evidence is there in the books of Sumeria and other cultures like the aztecs, etc. etc.!


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[RavenWhitefang]

Somthing is going, dont know what, but here in portland OR, a local police station has this symbol over the door. Ive never seen this type of masonic symbol. the compass and others ive seen, but never an egyptian winged cobra disk,with the compass in the disk. let alone over a police station door. it was carved into the stone there.

[VegasRonin]

Hey ATV, how's it goin? I don't think a One World Govt. would be democratic. Most people who believe in the NWO, associate it with a Dictatorship. That Mason symbol Raven fits right in to all the conspiracy and Egyptian connections, that people like Prez tell us about.

[FactsOverFiction]

Originally Posted by RavenWhitefang

Somthing is going, dont know what, but here in portland OR, a local police station has this symbol over the door. Ive never seen this type of masonic symbol. the compass and others ive seen, but never an egyptian winged cobra disk,with the compass in the disk. let alone over a police station door. it was carved into the stone there.

Not doubting you but can you tell me which actual police department this is and where it is located at in Portland?


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[FactsOverFiction]

To add to my above post, since "Y2K" was a government conspiracy to implement martial law therefor furthering the NWO I have serious doubts of any legitimate NWO theories because A: Y2K would of been a perfect time to implement them and B: If not 9-11 would of been.

And I know it was not in the thought process of the National Guard on Y2K because I was one of the "chosen" who had a 12 hour shift in our unit (Every guard unit in the state of PA had a few members on duty from Dec 30 through Jan 2 ) my shift so happened to be the 6pm - 6am while the ball dropped, we had water buffaloes filled with potable water just in case, as well as emergency rations and supplies. Yes we did have our armory ready to go but that was to be expected as if something would of happened looters might of LAed it. Back on track here, we had military radios where we talked to other guard units as well as satellite tv watching as the clock hit midnight around the world (like a domino effect we marked on a board as each time zone was crossed as well as any info we may hear/see) the only thing of interest during my whole shift was a "possible" problem in a Russian power plant *wooo*

Anyway what I am trying to say is, there was nothing and I mean nothing "NWO" about it yet thats all I heard about in the months leading up to that date. Its like if I was a Jehovah Witness the first "end times" warning I would of been scared the second I would of worried, the third I would of thought about it the fourth I would of laughed at it and the 5th well ignored it. The NWO people have put out so much its hinges on insanity to believe in it.

I have no doubt NONE whatsoever that many in leadership positions hope to obtain a UN style global government some in our very own nation want this but it is not a conspiracy it is an ideoligy a power hungry person who doesn't just want to rule one nation but them all... Oh yeah Kofi "Give me and my family kickbacks for your oil" Annan already holds that spot.
But I also have no doubt many in America and other nations want no part in the UN let alone a "global" nation. And in the past few years America and her leaders are slowly pulling back from the brink of falling to far into the UN. (Whew)


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[AngelTV]

Hi Raven, VR and the to the others. Nice to hear from you. I don't disagree that masonic influence is part of the world affairs. As is the influence of the Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Chinese, Irish and any other large lobby group. Shite, multinationals probably have more influence now more than ever. VR, you may be right in a dictorial control but I find it too hard to sell. We believe in a democratic (loose definition) system and yes our democracies are not ideally based on principles but still we vote and choose. I cannot see a OWG based on our so called system. The Un has shown us that nothing gets decided in a world forum. Too many contradicting interest. Raven, the symbol is odd though through my travels I have seen symbolisms on churches, hospitals, schools and even layouts of whole towns ( Bath, England). Prez is correct in his beleif that deeper secrets lie in many of todays thoughts. Good to hear your thoughts.

[prezhorusin04]

AngelTV:
Very good to see you friend! Glad that you are having a good time on your trips!- Be Safe!

Yes, i very much believe that there are deeper meanings to these symbols..They have been used around for 5000 plus years, so i would find it hard to believe that they didn't hold a very important significance for the groups and people using them..

Nice pic Raven..The symbolism of that isn't even hidden..Its the Sumerian Anunnaki Wing, and Egyptian Winged Sun Disk..The SUN was god, so this is strait saying that the Masons see themselves as the Son/Sun of God.The Supreme power, or atleast part of the inner brotherhood network that makes up this "supreme power". This hydra which includes the Illuminati, Masons, Zionists, Templars, Rosicrucians, Skull and Bones, and various other little monsters..And all of these groups might feel that they are working for a higher/extraterrestrial force..The Sun Disk might relate to the Disk shape of UFO sightings and depictions for thousands and thousands of years.As well as the shape of a somewhat slanted eye.

Vegas!!! Hey, alot of this isn't just my theories..Thankfully there are others who are writing and researching topics such as this..Much of it isn't theory, but actual mythology and religion..There are many serpent men gods, and the snake is highly noted..The Winged sun disk had the two headed snake, or the Ouroborus serpent of infinity.

The serpent has ALWAYS been conotated with Wisdom and Knowledge..From the VERY FIRST societies and religions of man, the serpent plays a dominant roll.The Hindus call this Kundalini, the awakening of the Fire Serpent into Illumination. The opening of the third eye.

Angel, i DO think that there are many societies and men who are bringing together a unified goal of a New World Order..And this is based on the Masonic "Great Work" of transforming man into the "illuminated man", or the magicians credo of turning lead into gold. Gold has always been associated with the Sun, as well as that of the human soul.

There is a Revelation of some kind coming, and this has been planned, or atleast modified to work, since the very beginning of human history.
Look into the clouds to MT. Atlantis and you can see the reasoning there..The Sun Seed, carry the torch deep into the Earth womb..Transformation, "Illumination", EnLIGHTenment..In the beginning, from heaven to earth they came, as above so below..Creating and mating with the human race, to gather workers to mine gold/souls for them..

Perhaps ALL OF THIS is about making a grand sacrifice to the cosmos..In the form of the human race..But make no mistake, while the sacrificial element of killing 5 billion people would be important to THEM, it's all about a consolidation of power and relighting the fire of their "godhood" on this planet..

And the sad part is, The Mexicans, Hindus, Russians and Even Chinese, probably believe America and the New World Order to be a good thing..Many leaders have already sold their people out to slaughter and assimilation..

i hope i am very wrong, but i try to see the worst and best possible scenerios..
I think if the BEST is going to happen, it is up to the people, and not the Elites and corporations.

[AngelTV]

Cool post Prez. Good to hear from you and once again thank you for the knowledgable post. Prez, I too believe in a unified goal for man kind. I differ from you because I see positives where you see otherwise. I too want the ppl to control there own destiny but until we have the vessel to sail that turbulent waters we must allow those above to build that vessel in the form of an organised "world order" with with which we can take over when appropiate. It happens all the time in History and I can't see why we can;t do it again. We use them as they use us. The mass dictates when the world is in a positon to allow for this change. Personally I don't think we are ready to run the ship. Although we have progressed we are still susceptible to "mass" motivations and quite franky liberations turns into regression. I say let them create a world where one we are better educated, two better informed and three better balanced before we overthrow your "illuminati". On webchat prez so say hello.

[prezhorusin04]

i think that we COULD be ready..i guess when the time comes, and you are faced with something, sometimes you are more ready then you realized..

Are the people of the world, in their heart of hearts, sick of slavery? Yes, i'd say so..I AM..Would they fight mentally and physically to oppose this slavery, if they new it's shape and form? Yes, i think they would..

The world must be shown, that there is a war raging on a metaphysical level, and together rise up to oppose that "serpent", with the same strength and determination that America fights for its freedom...

i don't think that the sole reason behind this is The Illuminati alone, but it is more easy to expose them in the form of the Illuminati..And illumination is part of the holy "Great Purification" that is described in numerous religions..

What is webchat?

[AngelTV]

Prez, "Could be" is a very big gamble. We are talking all or nothing. If we are not then I hate to think of the consequences and worse the evil that may takeover if we are not ready. We are close, maybe you are right . Throw us in the water and we may learn to swim. Personally, I won't risk innocent ppls futures until I am certain they can make it to the other side. Unless it becomes desperate, which it isn't yet, then I say wait and become better aware of the situation. Plan the future. Implement a more organised plan. You take on the big boys before you are ready and you will lose.
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[RavenWhitefang]

Not doubting you but can you tell me which actual police department this is and where it is located at in Portland?

The area I live in Porland is St Johns. It is one of the local small police stations here. I am not a local so I dont remember the street names, just remember that it is down the street from the giant Paul Bunyun carved statue and the interstate on-ramp maybe 5 mins from the house. Yeah im one of those landmark drivers lol. Most of the buildings in the area are older and kind of crappy looking, but this one looked new, like it had been built recently, or remodeled. Next time I drive by, ill try to take some pics and get actual street directions.

Portland is full of buildings with masonic symbols. If pictures were taken, it would end up being a coffee table book....with just pictures.

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Just did a bit of digging and here it is

On Friday, February 27, at noon, Mayor Vera Katz, city commissioners, Chief Derrick Foxworth and community leaders will gather to formally open the Kenton Community Policing Office. The office, located at 8134 N. Denver Avenue, will be used by police officers and community volunteers. Officers will be able to use the facility to write reports, access computers, interact with the community, eat meals and be available at a central location outside of the precincts. The establishment of a Community Volunteer Program at the office will provide the community with general referral and assistance, crime prevention material and programs, citizen crime reports, traffic accident reports, Neighborhood/Block Watch contact, coordination with Sunshine Division and PAL, as well as many other functions.

In July 2003, Kenton Lodge No. 145 contributed 1,000 square feet of office space for 10 years at no cost to the city. Remodeling of the office began in September with all materials and labor donated by 48 community organizations and businesses. Total contributions exceeded $200,000, with no expense being paid by the city or Police Bureau.

“The Kenton Community Policing Office is a perfect example of community policing,” says Chief Derrick Foxworth. “It demonstrates that the community is willing to step up and fund a facility that will be used by both the police and the community to reduce crime and the fear of crime, improve neighborhood livability and improve the police and community partnership. The organizations and individuals who have donated materials and time are to be commended for their commitment to North Portland and community policing.”

For more information, contact Sergeant Michael Barkley at 823-2120.

[VegasRonin]

Prez and ATV, I disagree. No way is the population ready to be free from slavery or dependence. If the rest of the country's people is anything like the majority of folkes in Vegas. We're screwed. I can't remember a time when people were so spoiled and self centered as today. Sometimes I find myself thinking that a catastrophic event would do these people some good. I know I know but still ....

[AngelTV]

VR, I also think the world is not ready. Just giving Prez the benefit of the doubt. The people I talk to speak ideologically of peace and love and sharing and how the war is bad and so on and then I watch them fall into their modern world trance in front of the TV watching the simpsons and I think "words". I agree with VR that most talk of things to be yet aren't prepared to scarifice a single razoo of their precious existence.
Given half a chance they would be self appointed meglomaniacs. In public their protray moral values and run with the crowd, in private they run their own house like a private serfdom with them as king. What the "intellectuals" forget to realise is that they are the minority and the masses crave instant gratification and meaningless violence. Still VR I wish no ill will and hope with prosperity and technological advancement change may come.

[prezhorusin04]

i agree with you guys in many ways, i guess i just really do believe that most humans are inherintly good, and want to do the right thing..

i'm not an idiot, i know there are sick, twisted and evil people out there..But probably none more so sick and twisted then those in the greatest seats of power..

I can only speak for myself and I'M ready..Despite my shortcomings and flaws, i am still ready, and willing to change for the sake of love and unity..There are NEW ways to do things, and this mass change can come in one generation,...
And without destruction and death..

Even if you could just get 10% of the population to see and do things differently, there would be a massive change..-And if the Elites really want to wipe 5billion people off of the earth, then we have nothing to lose..

We don't even have our elections, what freedoms do we really have..?

To Quote nobodies favorite, Michael Moore, right after he won Cannes:
"I trust that if the American people really knew what was going on, that they would do the right thing..And hopefully, in some small way, my film can help people come to the truth.."

[VegasRonin]

I was listening to our leaders this week (Bush, Kerry, Blair, and Cheney), and I found myself thinking "We deserve everything bad that's coming". We're damn lemmings. These guys can't even answer simple questions. How in the hell did we let things even get like this? WE ARE SO SCREWED PEOPLE! Only thing I see in the future is little pockets of resistance here and there. Its all a downward spiral from here on out.

[FactsOverFiction]

Originally Posted by VegasRonin

I was listening to our leaders this week (Bush, Kerry, Blair, and Cheney), and I found myself thinking "We deserve everything bad that's coming". We're damn lemmings. These guys can't even answer simple questions. How in the hell did we let things even get like this? WE ARE SO SCREWED PEOPLE! Only thing I see in the future is little pockets of resistance here and there. Its all a downward spiral from here on out.

We let it happen by allowing the media to "guide" people into two parties and only two. If Ross Perot would of won things might not of been better worldwide but the American public would be much more willing to look at other candidates for President. But before we get into that people do blame the President for the good and the bad, its not the case. The economy would of did just as good during Clintons years had anyone else been in office, the tech boom was going to happen. Bush, Clinton, Gore, Bush 2nd, Dole, Perot, Kerrey, it doesn't matter the Presidency is only so powerful. Congress and the Senate need the same thing done to it. There is no viable third party because the media does not embrace them, and until something incredible happens I do not see this changing (Incredible being something like a Colin Powell, Joe Lieberman ticket for Pres and VP running on a Repubicrat ticket)


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[VegasRonin]

I wish I was just talking about the economy FoF but I'm speaking on deeper things. They have us all living in a house of cards. Where's my global reset button?