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Old Feb 6th, 2010, 4:30 PM   #1
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Mysteries of the Pineal Gland

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Mysteries of the Pineal Gland


The pineal gland is situated between the right and left hemispheres of the brain and has long thought to have been a vestigial remnant of a once larger organ. The common perception is that the pineal gland is an evoloutionary left over, the aim of this thread is to discuss the facts, to speculate on the possibilities and to dispell the false ideas.




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- The pineal gland is directly connected to the nervous system.

- All light stimulus that is collected by the eyes passes through the pineal gland.

- In animals the pineal gland plays a major role in sexual development, metabolism, hibernation patterns and seasonal breeding (instinctual intelligence).

- The pineal gland is to be found in the oldest part of the brain.

- The pineal gland is part of the major endocrine gland system, interestingly all the major endocrine glands coincide with the positions that the chakras are said to exist within the body.

- It is essential to the functioning of the biological clock.

- A hormone called Melatonin is created within the pineal gland and it only synthesized when no light passes through the retina, through the optical nerve and into the pineal gland. (I will talk more about Melatonin later!)

- It has long since been thought that the pineal gland is the seat of the soul.







Metaphysics, philosophy and the pineal gland


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From the time of Dionysius to the time of Plato, the cultures of the Mediterranean consented to the doctrine that claimed the existence of an order of ultimate reality which lies beyond apparent reality. This "paranormal" reality was accessible to the consciousness only when the "normal" routines of mental data processing were dislocated. It was Plato's pupil Aristotle who changed his teacher's game, separating physics from metaphysics. The philosophical temper of our present civilization, being scientifically and technically oriented, is basically Aristotelian.
Source - http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/newphysics/thirdeye.htm


Metaphysicians throughout the ages have called the pineal gland the third eye and the seat of the soul, it is said that all the vital psychic energies are channelled from the other chakras and up to the pineal gland. Believe it or not the pineal gland isn't actually considered as part of the brain as it resides outside of the blood-brain barrier and is surrounded by a fetal tissue associated with that of the mouth.
The pineal gland converts the amino acid, tryptophan into serotonin and in turn that is converted into melatonin, it is then released into the bloodstream and cerebrospinal fluid where it is transported around the rest of the body.

Melatonin is essential for our sleep-wake cycle and peaks in the middle of the night when we are in our deepest stages of REM sleep.

The pineal gland is also sensitive to electromagnetic energy and I think a huge change in the earths natural electromagnetic feild could either have the effect of awakening the gland and it's higher functions or have the opposite effect and close it down altogether. Researchers have actually found magnetite clusters near the pineal gland, like homing pigeons, humans have residual ability to orient to geomagnetic directional cues, an ability lost with pineal dysfunction.

Another thing that can have a detrimental effect on the pineal gland is calcification and guess what is in our drinking water, flouride! Which further calcifies the gland.

What has been described here shows that the pineal gland is very energy sensitive! Throughout the ages, it has been assigned a spiritual role that transcends its hormonal function. In Hindu traditions it’s associated with the extrasensory third eye of which perception of the world is not limited to the physical senses. For example, the God Shiva is portrayed with a third eye in the forehead. The pineal gland is linked with the crown chakra called the Thousand Petaled Lotus, which transforms and downloads energy from the ethers into our consciousness.

French philosopher René Descartes (1596-1650) emphasized the pineal gland in his writings, calling it the seat of the soul and “The part of the body in which the soul directly exercises its functions.”

Helena Blavatsky, the co-founder of the theosophical movement described the role of the gland in an evolutionary context in her book, the secret doctrine in 1888;
“the third eye acted no longer,” … because man had sunk too deep in the mire of matter.”
· “The third eye …gradually petrified soon disappeared …the eye was drawn deep into the head and is now buried under the hair...”
· “…owing to the gradual disappearance of spirituality and increase in materiality…, it became an atrophied organ.”
· "The third eye is dead…but it has left behind a witness to its existence…the pineal gland.”

Interestingly, there is a correlation between the soul’s emergence in various spiritual traditions and pineal formation. Specifically, the gland first appears in the fetus 49 days after conception. This is the time Tibetan Buddhists believe it takes after death for the soul to finish its sojourn and reincarnate into the next body. This period also approximates the 40 days espoused by early Christians, such as St. Augustine, that it takes for the soul to enter the fetus.




Similarities between Melatonin and DMT


DMT is structurally similar to melatonin. The biochemical precursor to both molecules is serotonin, a key neurotransmitter whose pathways are involved in mood and targeted in the treatment of psychiatric disorders. DMT also structurally resemblances other psychedelic drugs, such as LSD and psilocybin, and is the active agent in ayahuasca brew Amazon shamans use to provoke out-of-body experiences. Like many mood-controlling pharmaceuticals (e.g., Prozac), these psychedelics act through interacting with serotonin-associated pathways. Now you have to ask yourself is it the production of these hormones that create such mystical experiences or is it that they are created as a result of these experiences, or is it a mix of both? A kind of snowballing effect? Under normal conditions, enzymes will quickly degrade DMT. While we do not know when or under what circumstances DMT rises naturally, it is tempting to hypothesize that when it becomes elevated for some reason, extraordinary experiences may occur. For example, in the case of dying, Strassman speculates that the physiology that keeps DMT levels in check (e.g., degradative enzymes) during life start to break down, allowing full DMT expression, and, in turn, the out-of-body perceptions reported in near-death experiences.



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Old Feb 8th, 2010, 4:01 PM   #2
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Not one reply?!

What is the deal here? I remember when you used to be able to post something on this site and have a lively debate on such things... Now I remember why I rarely bother on here!

I really am dumbfounded, posting such a subject that is ripe for debate and not one reply?!?!
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Sorry, just found your thread.

I find both aspects of this gland interesting. One being near death or dying. I worked for several years as an EMT in Oregon in the 70s, and have had the privilege ( if one can call it that) at being present at the last moments of life with severally injured people.

Strange how the calmness and tranquility came over some of them, even though they knew it was a matter of minutes before it was over, and we had done all that was medically possible, but sometimes its not enough. They were the ones offering use support... telling us it was OK that they were about to die.

For years I struggled with this phenomena, attributing low blood pressure to the brain as a state of euphoria, but even with the use of MAST and other pressure suits, I have seen alert and conscious people completely aware that it was their time...even before we had reached that conclusion.

I had seen it before in Vietnam, I had guys sitting with a bullet wound to the chest, calmly smoking a cigarette and telling me in general conversation that they would be dead in ten minutes...as if discussing the weather.. they would tell us that it was wonderful. Chock?... perhaps, but sometimes a mortal wound is painless and there is this "window" so to speak where the soul is at the surface, and speaks with a clarity and dignity that the brain could never match.
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Old Feb 8th, 2010, 5:47 PM   #4
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Not one reply?!

What is the deal here? I remember when you used to be able to post something on this site and have a lively debate on such things... Now I remember why I rarely bother on here!

I really am dumbfounded, posting such a subject that is ripe for debate and not one reply?!?!
Sorry, just dont know much about it so I wouldnt be a very good debater on the subject.


Because its in Science, also, I would have to be carful what I would say because it kinda is Science, but can drift into mystical spirituallty and conspiracy, what I would want to discuss would be more conspiracy based.
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Hi Resentedhalo,

I agree with Ian on this.........It's hard to debate or discuss this subject when all the known scientific facts are presented first off...there is not much room for debate unless things deviate from known science, be it paranormal, spirituality etc.... There is no doubt that the Pineal Gland is mis-understood at best.....but as mine is buried deep inside my head I cannot honestly say that I have knowingly had much to do with it, nor have I been able to knowingly experiment with any effects outside influences may have on it.
The only thing I can say from my own personal experience, is that being out in the sun is, not only a great feeling....but deep inside me I almost feel an inner peace and some slight connection to the universe.......lying in the sun, eyes closed, the red/orange tint of your closed eyelids coming through to my retina......I know for sure that I always sleep better, and have a better sense of fairness and balance when I've been out in the sun for long periods.....hope that makes sense to someone.
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Sorry, just dont know much about it so I wouldnt be a very good debater on the subject.


Because its in Science, also, I would have to be carful what I would say because it kinda is Science, but can drift into mystical spirituallty and conspiracy, what I would want to discuss would be more conspiracy based.
Beware also of the vicous guard dog on this forum, that is CT.

Interesting subject, and good post Shortround.
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Ya, this belongs in paranormal.
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Ya, this belongs in paranormal.
How does this belong in paranormal?

This is science, the Pineal Gland is BIOLOGY and CHEMISTRY

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Metaphysicians throughout the ages have called the pineal gland the third eye and the seat of the soul,
metaphisics is NOT science. Just because some aspect of the thread is based on actual facts doesnt mean that the entirety of it is. Chakras are NOT science. Metaphisics is NOT science. These things are paranormal and that is where this thread belongs.

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Interesting subject, and good post Shortround.
I agree with DBA, IF the thread is in part about Chakras and metaphysics and souls, it isn't science and it needs to be moved (to either philosophy- aka METAPHYSICS [metaphysics is a branch of philosophy], or to paranormal).

However, if these were just mentioned in passing as historical notes, then no problem. Is that the case?



Science is about empirical observation and about things that in principle can be quantified. Blind speculation is not science unless it is followed with a coherent theory that makes predictions that are testable, and then that theory is later tested, and then refined. If all but the first part is neglected, it certainly is NOT science.
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I agree with DBA, IF the thread is in part about Chakras and metaphysics and souls, it isn't science and it needs to be moved (to either philosophy- aka METAPHYSICS [metaphysics is a branch of philosophy], or to paranormal).

However, if these were just mentioned in passing as historical notes, then no problem. Is that the case?



Science is about empirical observation and about things that in principle can be quantified. Blind speculation is not science unless it is followed with a coherent theory that makes predictions that are testable, and then that theory is later tested, and then refined. If all but the first part is neglected, it certainly is NOT science.
lol, was waiting for you to come along and take your stance on it.
I feel I cant comment on it simply because I dont know the science behind it but do know about the conspiracy's behind it.

How can you measure something like this in a scientific view?
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