The Masons & Other Secret Societies

[MapMan]

Did anyone see that conspiracies program on the TV a few days ago? I can't remember the name or the channel, sorry!!! It was all about the Masons and the Illuminati?

Check these sites out:

http://www.grandlodge-england.org/

Creepy eh?

Anyone a mason here?
What do people think about them?

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Anyone a mason here?

i was a Perry Mason fan, does that count?

Yeah, we've discussed them before, our resident subject matter expert is, Prez. Ask him, he'll tell you all about em.

[Teraizhim]

I had heard talk of there being Freemason lodges around my area for a while, but it wasnt until i looked at one of the sites above that i realised how many there are! There are over 200 in the WARIKSHIRE area alone, and quite alot near me... so i did what anyone would do and go and investigate.



After being told of a local lodge, that resulted in a dead link and a chat with the local vicar, it was back to the drawing board as I headed to a location were there was a lodge, with the adress obtained from the website...but how would i know if it was a mason lodge?



This is the outside of the building, I wasnt sure if id be able to find it, untill i saw that HUGE symbol.



heres that logo again

[Teraizhim]

as you can see, this place does party;s.



This is the main enterance




close up of that logo again, this time plastered all over the windows.

[Teraizhim]

couldnt get a great shot of this, but its a picture on tthe wall of the garment worn by the Masons, as seen on this gentleman




finally, this website is amazing in its usage of the All Seeing EYE, it says it all

http://www.elkington.emasons.net/


im gonna get some more tommrow of a different lodge,...and oh yeah, i filmed a small video of them inside having a meeting, im gonna try and post that because its kinda interesting but too short.

[prezhorusin04]

Teraizhim, cool pics..You be careful snooping around Mason lodges..Take a Taser with you or something..Just in case..

i'm not an expert, but here's some info on the Masons and the Square and Compass symbol displayed on their buildings and literature.


Here we see George Washington dressed
in his Masonic regalia, as documented
from this painting from the
Library of Congress in D.C.

We see the symbol of the square and compass displayed prominently on Washingtons Masonic apron. We see that the icon is placed over the area of Washingtons groin.

-Other symbols that reside within the middle of the Square and Compass are the All seeing Eye of Egypt/Horus, and the Sacred G..The G is represented as standing for Gateway, Gold, God, and Grand Architect.Probably the most likely meaning is Geometry, as in the Masonic Sacred Geometry..(Such is seen in many modern day Crop Circles.)

In Washingtons right hand we see the icon of the trowel, which is used for cement mixing and brick-laying. The ancient Sumerian name for this tool, at about 5000BC, is called The MAR. It is a triangular/pyramid shaped tool, and was a main symbol of the Supreme god Marduk..Marduk would eventually be known as the Master-King God Osiris/Horus in Egypt.-The reversal of the word MAR, in RAM, is the meaning for FIRE. RAM MEANS FIRE.So in George Washingtons right hand, he holds the MAR or FIRE.

In George's left hand, he rings the holy Bell..This bell is really of the Babylonian sun god Bel. Also known as Baal, Tammuz, Dumuzi, Osiris, Mithra, and other Sun gods such as Moloch. So in Washingtons left hand, he is representing the sun god Bel.

The name George is actually of the Sumer-Babylonian myth of St George..This is the same St. George as the Dragons guard on the Royal Crest of the City of London. The City of London guards the Cross of St. George.


One of the most common symbols of Freemasonry is the symbol of the crossed compass and set-square. The compass and square are architect's tools, and symbolize God as the architect of the universe, as well as man's ability to discern the workings of creation.

As measuring instruments, the tools represent judgement. The two symbols together form a hexagram, the union of earth with the heavens, and are related to the Seal of Solomon and the hermetic seal of Saturn.
http://altreligion.about.com/library...niccompass.htm


More on Square and Compass
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masoni...ses_set_dt.htm
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html

[Teraizhim]

hehe, i dont think theres much to worry about, the Masons in the lodge prbably dont have any idea of the grand scheme anyway, as far as they know its a gentlemans club.

One of the most common symbols of Freemasonry is the symbol of the crossed compass and set-square. The compass and square are architect's tools, and symbolize God as the architect of the universe, as well as man's ability to discern the workings of creation.

Interesting symblol, and as regarding the 'G' in the symbol, it actually stands for Gnostics, but of course most freemasons dont know this, or will insist that it stands for God. This information was revealed in Bill Coopers highly interesting 'Mystery Babylon' radio series. Its a goldmine for Masonic information.

[Rynotek]

check out the handshake in this pic, is it not Masonic?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3695678.stm

[Teraizhim]

That handshake is definately Masonic, check out the grip of the 3rd nuckle. its not even a handshake, just a poor grip - signs of a Mason greeting.



Now, time for round 2. Another location, another lodge.

This place was HARD to find guys, and i mean, we walked down the street and from the top of the road you would never notice this place...its only when walking back up the strreet we noticed a building that at first glace, we thought was just a church.

So we ventred off the road and through a driveway to find this, what must be, Masonic Temple.



This place looks like the real deal.



Notice this one the roof, i have no idea what it means , can anyone help?



Heres a side view of the building

[Teraizhim]

Heres a better look at the sign on the side of the building



Heres the entranceway



A sign, says it all

[Teraizhim]

Close up of the plaque on the wall



It appears if they are seeing if the public oppose the usage of the place or something, but seriously, no one will ntoce this place.



Managed to get round the back of the place, there was all sort of junk around the place, i think that it might be being renovated

[Teraizhim]

and finally



Says it all...


Notice the differences between this place and the first though. There is no compas symbol here, but this place proudly claims to be mason, while the other place never mentioned it.

[prezhorusin04]

You're correct..Gnostic is another definition of the G, as Gnostic means "Knowledge".-I've seen a great many definitions for the meaning of the G, and am inclined to believe that it has multiple meanings.

Every Fellowcraft Mason learns of the importance of the 7 liberal arts and sciences, of which he is instructed they are seven; namely, Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Music and Astronomy.-When Geometry excells, it becomes known as the Sacred Geometry, and is then the most important of all the 7 Liberal Arts and Sciences.


Seven Liberal Arts

More on Sacred Geometry in relation to Masonic building.

http://www.luckymojo.com/sacreddefined.html


We've got about 100 Masonic Lodges in Indy where i live too, and one major Scottish Rite Cathedral downtown next to the War Memorial Plaza. This Cathedral was completed one month before the Great Depression of 29.


From what i know, there is one Masonic Grand Lodge in each state, that is the main coordinator for all the lower Masonic lodges in the state..There are like 50 Main Lodges in the U.S., and they are supposedly run out of Texas and New Mexico.-There is a 51st Grand Lodge just inside the Mexican border.

All I have to say on this subject is my Dad is a Mason and they do lots of good things for the community. The one closest to my house raised money to install medical devices to help people who have heart troubles in schools.

They also have the Eastern Star for women and Job's Daughters for younger girls.

These have been around for many years and hold their traditions.

What about the Moose club??? People just sometimes like to belong to something. Anyone ever see a VFW before? lol Or a frat or sorority?

[Teraizhim]

The problem with Masons is that most of them dont have any idea what they belong too. Most wont ever know either as they remain on the lower degrees. When they take these initiation vows they are even told lies about exactly what they are pleding too.

If A Mason wanted to find out the truth he would only have to do research on the origins and look at the symbology used by Masons to see that something is wrong. However most dont bother, as they are just happy belonging to this exclusive club.

[lotrfan55345]

What kind of vows do you have?

[prezhorusin04]

lotrf, you might enjoy these books if you're interested in some of the initiations and beliefs of the Masons.


Duncans Rituals Masonic Handbook
http://www.nvo.com/lauterer/pages/st...catuid%3D10018


Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall
http://www.prs.org/secret.htm


Behold a Pale Horse by the late William Cooper
http://www.hourofthetime.com

[VegasRonin]

I had never heard of this saint so I did a little research on him. He was the author of Aprocyphal Gospel of ST. Bartholomew according to the Egyptians. This Bartholomew seemed overly interested in Jesus' descent into Hell to retrieve Adam from Hades. This event supposedly took place while Jesus was on the cross. Just thought it was interesting since I never heard of him. He also had a differing story on Jesus' burial than accepted scripture. Strange that the Masons would choose him as patron.

[Teraizhim]

thats really interesting about ST. Bartholomew, I was wondering just who he was. Thanks for looking that up.

Heres the 3rd lodge that we visited:



This very small building, which is now closed down, was on a side street from the main road. Obviously used as a working mens club, you'd have no idea that it had any Mason ties, apart from the plaque on the wall.



The Esmerelda lodge. We were pretty dissapointed with this one, not only because it had close down but due to the side ect.


Anyway, one thing that ive noticed so far is the variations; Starting with the first building we visited. The place was very much in public view, right on the side of the road. However, as far as anything mentioning it was a Mason club there was nothing, only the Compass-ruler symbol, and not many people are going to pay that a second look.

Now look at the 2nd building, this place was very much a Masonic temple, the building looks omonous and it has the word MASON all over the place. But, of course, this place wasnt in public view at all. To find it you really have to know what your looking for, as it was not only on a side street but located up a small path and small alley.

The strange thing i thought about this was if you have a building, normally its sign-posted right? If something hard to find like this there would normally be SOMETHING indicating that its just up to the right of the road...but there was nothing.

And the 3rd building, again a public one, but no mention of masons at all.

Hopefully by visiting enough of these places I can hope to see if there is a link between this, and if indeed the publicly Mason places are hidden.

More later.

[Teraizhim]

Heres the 4th place we visited. It was on a main road, and clearly showed that it was a Mason club. So right now, my theory about mason signs being hidden looks false.


Heres the place, right off the main road

[Teraizhim]

I'd like to find about more about the rotary aspect.

[VegasRonin]

Hey Teraizhim, you ever loop up The Denver Airport's Masonic link?

[Teraizhim]

Ah yeah i recall seeing some stuff about that place, apparently its covered in symbols. i guess thing one says it all:


I'd love to go there myself, but its abit far as im in the UK.

[Rynotek]

http://www.rosslynchapel.org.uk/

Home of the apprentice's pillar and a host of other freemasonary symbols, this was built by the original scottish freemasons, Teraizhim, this would be a good place to go for the weekend if you where in the Edinburgh area, Its supposed to be as creepy as hell and home to the holy grail.

[Teraizhim]

That place sure looks creepy. That holy grail stuff is interesting, i visited the message board there and people were speculating exactly what it could be. Are certain people not supposed to be looking for this though? I gotta go there sometime.