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Old Dec 8th, 2004, 5:15 AM   #1
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KKK's Masonic Origins

The Ku Klux Klan's Masonic Origins
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/kkk.html

The "Ku Klux Klan", from the greek "kuklos", ("circle" or "wheel"), is, like Masonry, a "fraternal organization". This one grew out of the Civil War in America to protect and preserve the white race and ensure "voluntary separation" of the races, and even extinction of Blacks, Catholics, and Jews.

They are well known the disguised hooded Klansmen, in their white sheets, posing as ghosts of dead Confederate soldiers, with their blazing torches burning large wooden crosses in a "circle", to terrorize and kill Blacks, just for the sake of being Blacks...

... "we don't burn crosses, we light them", they claim, "and it is a religious celebration and ceremony, not an act of desecration"... they are really sick!... with a violent history, including lynchings, murders, and bombings.

It was founded in Polaski, Tennessee, in 1866 by 6 Confederate officers. One of them, and the first Imperial Wizard of the KKK, was a former Confederate general and Freemason, Nathan Bedford Forrest.

... Albert Pike held the office of Chief Justice of the KKK while he was simultaneously Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Masonry, in the Southern Jurisdiction...

... the KKK was known as the "Invisible Empire of the South"... in 1869 Forrest ordered the Empire to disband because of the extreme violence.

1915 was the rebirth of the KKK,

just after the film "The rebirth of a Nation" where Klansmen were romantically portrayed as heroes who had preserved the moral fiber and character of America... this time another Mason, W.J. Simmons, was the architect. By the mid-1920s they controlled some states such as Indiana from the courthouse to the statehouse. Almost all of the top officials of the revived Klan were also Masons, with a total of 5 million members, most of them Masons and white Protestants, with several Senators and Governors.

- By 1944 the KKK collapsed,

in a storm of corruption, murder, rape, and torture... Today, there are a few thousands left, very divided... each one wants to be be a Grand Wizard of nothing!.

Resource: 101 Cults and Secret Societies

I took my obligation to White men, not to Negroes. When I have to accept Negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.

Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
History and Evolution of Freemasonry, page 329
Delmar D. Darrah,
The Charles T Powner Co. 1954

For more on the ties between Freemasonry and the Extreme Right you may refer to the following pages:


Proof that Freemasonry is lying about Albert Pike and the Ku Klux Klan
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html

Freemasonry's History of Racism
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/racism.html


U.S. Masonic History 101

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/history101.html

P2, Nazi's, Fascist's, Far Right Reactionary Politics, and Freemasonry
http://www.freemasonrywatch .org/P2.html

Nomenclature of an Assasination Cabal: White Russians, Nazi's, Fascists, Freemasons and the Murder of JFK, MLK, and RFK
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/LATimes.html
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Old Dec 8th, 2004, 10:57 AM   #2
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A great book on Free Masonry is The Hiram Key by Cristopher Knight and Robert Lomas. I believe the Free Masons are mis- understood and not an evil organzation. The whole organazation should not be judged by some racist jack asses who happened to be free masons.
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I believe the Free Masons are mis- understood and not an evil organzation.
"Believing" can be dangerous. Knowing something as an absolute 100 percent proven real fact is something else. In this case, we absolutely know nothing. It's all speculation at this point, seriously. That's why I don't go around believing this or that on any given subject. I don't need to. Never will. Rather, I keep an open perspective on things without disabling my defense.
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Old Dec 8th, 2004, 2:15 PM   #4
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My father and my uncles are all masons. They do many wonderful things for charities and what not. I will also be a mason someday. My sugestion try a nice zoloft. Maybe it will curb your paranoia.
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Old Dec 8th, 2004, 5:26 PM   #5
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While not all Masons are guilty of having evil intentions, they are guilty of being stupid.

Masons need to start looking into the esoteric meanings of their beliefs, and most importantly stop insisting that what they do isnt practically a religion.
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Old Dec 9th, 2004, 12:42 AM   #6
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Good point Tera. The Masons do so much good in order to balance all of the festering evil at their inner core. Not all Masons are bad, but they are bad because either 1)The don't understand what the roots of Freemasonry, and it's symbols, are really about, or 2)They know what the evil core really means, and they keep following along with it anyway.

Your average everyday Freemason makes it seem passable and ok for people to be out and out Satanists, while pretending to do such good and "Christianly" work.. And No offense, like i said, i'm sure there are many good Masons, but they also show the epitome of what it is to be a part of a cult, and not know it..(Hey look everybody! The Great Architect Comet is coming!! Everybody get out your Masonic Bibles and put on your Nikes!)

It's nice that Masons do so much good, since they follow such evil, but greed is rampant in Freemasonry, and the connections of the "brotherhood" and the money and secrecy is one of the things that attracts people to Masonry, and one of the things that can make good Masons turn bad. They turn the other cheek to the evil within their ranks, because they are making connections and money, and supporting their families..All the while they are being lied to from the higher degree Masons, and made to believe that they are doing the right thing..They are easily as corrupt as the Catholic Church..In fact, Pope John Paul I was murdered 33 days (33, huh?) into his becomming Pope because he was going to expose the Masons in the Church, and a Masonic/Mafia money Laundering ring that was going on within the Vatican..

Become Masons if you want, but don't sell your soul and keep a secret because of the secret handshake..
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Lets not forget about the Deity known as Jah-Bul-On either. How many Masons are taught what that actually is? Very few.
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Lets not forget about the Deity known as Jah-Bul-On either. How many Masons are taught what that actually is? Very few.
firstly I hazzard a guess that you have absolutely no knowledge on 'how many' are/are not taught anything regarding freemasonry..so lets clear that one up..tell us what you know rather than make something up that you think should fit the agenda..

it's interesting that it seems to suit a lot to assume that freemasons are only admitted once the full labotomy has been done.. most have read as much of the kind of 'stuff' everyone here reads..

however as I have come to find out one side is never enough to a balanced argument

try -

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpubl...s-chapter3.htm

now i'm not saying that this is the true version but you guy's have got to understand freemasons can read write think feel -just like you. We are not clones,drones or stupid.

freemasons have been discussion jahbulon long before you came accross watchys site that for sure!!

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=...&start=50&sa=N



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Old Dec 20th, 2004, 2:01 AM   #9
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Whatever Dick...

Just as you are not brainwashed idiots, we are not either..There is a dark-malignant aspect to Freemasonry that cannot be ignored..If you're serious about Masonry, you know it's there as well as anybody else who looks into it.
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Whatever Dick...

Just as you are not brainwashed idiots, we are not either..There is a dark-malignant aspect to Freemasonry that cannot be ignored..If you're serious about Masonry, you know it's there as well as anybody else who looks into it.

prezzy baby

I don't recall saying anyone here was brainwashed....I just felt that there were a few posters here liked to think freemasons had lobotomys as part of their first degree

however

As it stands thus far I can only agree with Chuck (ex 32 deg) on watchys site (watchy quoted him so he must be telling the truth eh?)

"I see too extremes in this newsgroup: 1. Anti masons who , in their paranoid delusions, blame masonry for every evil in the world.

2. Staunch apologists who refuse to acknowledge real problems.

I would Like to set the record straight and tell the truth:

First of all to the anti masons - despite my deep involvement in masonry I never saw one single shred of anything even remotely resembling satanism. I never met one single mason who I would have even suspected of satanism. I was quite active in doing scottish rite degrees, and saw absolutely nothing that would conflict with any of the mainstream monotheistic religions. I also never saw any evidence of any conspiracy to cover up any crimes committed by masons, or any conspiracy to influence politics. These conspiracy theories and satanism theories that anti-s come up with are pure delusion. "

So there you have it an ex 32 deg mason who left for his own reasons being quoted on watchys site saying no conspiracy...whatchagonnadoaboutit ?

As a side note Chuck left because he saw racism. I can only speak for the UK masons I've met and racism hasn't yet reared it's ugly head anywhere I've been.

I was at a county gathering and spoke to several Asians who join in the same year as me and none were in the slightest concerned with their masonry

if Iknew how to post pics I would btw..


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I'm not saying your AVERAGE everyday Mason is the problem, or have any bad intentions at all. But you cannot ignore the problems involving the secrety of the HIGHEST degrees that a mason of your level would have NO idea about.

That is unless you looked into what your SYMBOLS actually mean, and begin to look back at the ORIGINS of Masonry.

Not to mention the often CORRUPT ways in which Masonry can be used by its members to give each other the old helping hand.

AAGAIN, im not saying this applies to ALL masons, but it IS A cause for CONCERN.
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but there was a direct quote from a 32 deg mason which stated he NEVER saw anything relating to what you allude..how do you square that circle?

if you do by saying that it's just 'some' high ranking FM's then it's not FM that is the problem -only some of it's members..

Funnily enough I agree that those on high (FM's or not) are all in it up to their necks doing stuff 'for the greater good' lying through their teeth

iraq, pearl harbour, twin towers, Dr Kelly, gods banker, bilderbergers etc etc etc

however to 'blame' FM is not the answer, clouds the issue and dirverts the discourse.

there is corruption in every club which allows human beings as members..BUT FM dos not promote corruption.

ie we can do no more than your mate can -it's just we have 3 million mates ;-)

A discussion on our own NG had a high ranking FM CEO of a big company saying he actually turned down the 'right man for the job' BECAUSE he gave a 'sign' and took on a non FM instead!!!

He was most indignant that this bloke was abusing FM for his own personal gain -a job
(the guy may have done this particular sign unwittingly btw)

I also remember reading a post from a FM who had been ripped of by another FM and was rightly upset and worried about getting his money back..

see it goes both ways...

the 'origins' of FM is hotly disputed -far more so actually by those IN freemasonry than those out. My province has a library of 12,00 books for christsake.. which is by no means the biggest.

personally I don't believe the 'originated from stonemasons' line either-but that doesn't make me right..I would love to believe it's templars rosslyn orisis egypt but again that doesn't make it true.

lomas and knights' books have been dismantled by some masons with an axe to grind and by some looking genuinely for a templar link..

the holy grail is still nowhere to be found...

I remember talking to quite a very high ranking FM who mentioned that he'd only just found out why the floor in the lodge is the way it is..and it wasn't nothing spooky either. (and he was hoping for somethiing more profound believe me....)

I wish some of you would trip over to alt freemasonry and post some of this stuff there..but do it in a non attacking troll/flamer way and get some FM's with 10,20,50 years of study answering and maybe agreeing or maybe not..

if you come over and say 'i think you're all a bunch of c...ts' and post watchys url then don't expect any sensible replies

but say 'i'm not a fm but i have these concerns regarding xxx' most will respond in a normal way (as I try......) some won't of course but thats human nature..

look forward to it..

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Peace r.bartlett

The thing you have to understand is we are not directing this at ALL masons. Your everyday mason is a good hearted person, we know this.

The problems people have is with Freemasonry harbouring the not so good individuals within its ranks, and using Masonry as a cover for what they are doing.

Think of it like a society within a society.

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but there was a direct quote from a 32 deg mason which stated he NEVER saw anything relating to what you allude..how do you square that circle?
Again, its not the 32nd degree masons that are the problem, some , if any, are the problem. I believe its the above degree(s?) that are using Masonry as a cover for what they are doing. And yes, i am refering to a handfull of people when compared with how many good masons there are.

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Funnily enough I agree that those on high (FM's or not) are all in it up to their necks doing stuff 'for the greater good' lying through their teeth
This makes me believe that we were on the same path, but you slightly miss-understood what i was getting at.

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the 'origins' of FM is hotly disputed -far more so actually by those IN freemasonry than those out. My province has a library of 12,00 books for christsake.. which is by no means the biggest.
The teachings of Masonry really do use (although badly) what was taught back in the ancient days of Kemet (Egypt), thus leading many people who have studied these practices into frowning upon Masonry.

For example:
"If MASONRY is a mere amalgam of the best parts of the cultures in question, why then would you not “eliminate the MIDDLE MAN”, and go straight to the source? "

I for one appreciate your posting here, the info you have goven us so far is very interesting.

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my aim here is not to goad, troll, offend or flame anyone..I never get involved in name calling nor abuse..

lets argue,agree,differ,converge,depart -we can all learn and enjoy ;-))

anyway enough for now i've been enjoying the wine/bailey's too much for more ...

although some of your points below i will respond...

enjoyed the bacon post and put up on the fm ng too..

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welcome to the board bartlett. i hope you interject more of your masonic background for us.

I share the POV of tera and prez on the Masons. But I wonder, if the mason's are made out to be satanic, by the church. Have you seen the movie "National Treasure" or read the book "The DaVinci Code" by Dan Brown? They make fantasy out of history.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Masons are a branch-off of the Knights Templar, who were persecuted by the roman catholic church, escaped to Scotland, and later to America. Was it William the Bruce? I forget. Anywayz, the Freemasons trace their roots all the way to Egypt, and quite possibly, possess the secrets of the Pyramid. They were once very racist, but have evolved to include other races. They do have an agenda, but right now, I think they're in a recruitment drive to increase their numbers. With the top echelons keeping the agenda from its members. Much like a corporation that needs people to do their jobs, only the directors have the strategic plan.

That's about all I know.
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welcome to the board bartlett. i hope you interject more of your masonic background for us.
I hope to post more as time goes by...

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I share the POV of tera and prez on the Masons. But I wonder, if the mason's are made out to be satanic, by the church. Have you seen the movie "National Treasure" or read the book "The DaVinci Code" by Dan Brown? They make fantasy out of history.
I have not seen the film nor read the book(s) NT has had good reviews from freemasons but it is a complete work of fantasy non the less..

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Correct me if I'm wrong, the Masons are a branch-off of the Knights Templar, who were persecuted by the roman catholic church, escaped to Scotland, and later to America. Was it William the Bruce? I forget. Anywayz, the Freemasons trace their roots all the way to Egypt, and quite possibly, possess the secrets of the Pyramid. They were once very racist, but have evolved to include other races. They do have an agenda, but right now, I think they're in a recruitment drive to increase their numbers. With the top echelons keeping the agenda from its members. Much like a corporation that needs people to do their jobs, only the directors have the strategic plan.

That's about all I know.
well what you know is far more than the rest of us..the holy grail hiram key etc set of books has been a hot topic of debate (lomas and knight are both freemasons) however the general census seems to be that the conclusions they draw are tenuous and require a few 'leaps of faith' to fill the gaps..however this is not to say they are wrong (I don't now) but they actually can't 'prove' step by step..maybe some day who knows?

as for being a branch of KT -again this is wishful thinking and no link has been proved -yet.

FM don'/can't trace their roots back to Egypt etc but allude to that reigon in it's ritual etc.again no proof exists -yet

racism- freemasons are by their very being human. A group of Freemasons in inner city London cannot be compared to some guy's in the deep south of us of a. They are freemasons all BUT they have different mindsets. Therefore a blanket 'was racist' etc is not correct.

http://users.aol.com/jabron/history.htm

the recruitment drive is very active in the usa at the moment (and here too to a smaller degree) and again it's hotly debated from a men in masonry/freemasonry in men standpoint

ie quality/quantity

anway have a meander round a few freemasonry info site which are -as far as possible- unbiased

http://www.shef.ac.uk/~crf/news/news.htm
http://www.freemasoninfo.ca/membership.html
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/index.html

anway enough so far

marry christmas ;-))

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racism- freemasons are by their very being human. A group of Freemasons in inner city London cannot be compared to some guy's in the deep south of us of a. They are freemasons all BUT they have different mindsets.
And there you have the problem.

If a group of brothers decided to become, say Satanic worshipers, then who exactly would stop them? This is an extreme example, but it could still be done. Masonry allows anyone to join with them as long as they believe in a God.

Now using Masonry as a cover, these Satan worshiping 'brothers' would be able to do do a great deal under Masonrys cloak of secrecy.

With this in mind whats to stop a group of men thinking that are elite & above the rest of us, who plan to instigate a New World Order.

After all, the Illuminati infultrated the Masons way back, and as Bill Cooper said himself, this wasn't something that just happened, Masonry was well aware of what the Illuminati were up to.

And lets not forget all the hidden esoteric symboloy that Masonry uses. Most members have no idea what these signs actually mean, so whats to say a higher group of masons are not hiding something about Masonrys true meanings.


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FM don'/can't trace their roots back to Egypt etc but allude to that reigon in it's ritual etc.again no proof exists -yet
I have to disagree. The initiation ceremonies used by the Masons are DIRECTLY linked to those that were practiced in the Mystery Schools back in Babylon and other ancient civilizations.

I would appreciate any responses.

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Having trouble with the 'quote' thingy. Look inside your post below for some of my answers too ;-))
(Can't see where I went wrong...)

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And there you have the problem.

If a group of brothers decided to become, say Satanic worshipers, then who exactly would stop them? This is an extreme example, but it could still be done. Masonry allows anyone to join with them as long as they believe in a God.
Extreme examples can be fun..and illuminating;-)

However, inside the temple the ritual is set in stone..NO one -nor any group- can say "hey wouldn't it be cool if we sacrificed a virgin at this part of ritual"

There was an incident this year where a freemason shot another allegedly during a Masonic ritual. THIS IS NOT TRUE. It was a group of freemasons but they were acting out some 'ritual' they had thought up and it went horribly wrong.

i.e. where is the guilt if some members of ANY club etc got together outside the club and killed virgins etc?. the only 'guilt' is if their lodge grand lodge is aware of this and fails to act. If you can think of any examples post here..

(fyi I did throw Kenny Noye and a leading freemason and he cringed and whilst watchys version isn't totally factual it is a stain on our craft)

http://freemasonrywatch.org/silentde...s.html#Kentish

Whilst I can only speak for myself and the small world of freemasonry I belong to, no they DON'T let anyone in. apart from god there are loads of differing requirements like 'good social standing' 'not being bankrupt' 'no criminal record ' -or at least not one which is current or pending. etc etc

There is always a chance that someone will lie -it can be very difficult to stop a persistent cheater of the system- he can be expelled from a lodge and left to wander without affiliation..



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Now using Masonry as a cover, these Satan worshiping 'brothers' would be able to do do a great deal under Masonrys cloak of secrecy.[QUOTE]



What exactly could they do? be more precise?

[QUOTE=Teraizhim]
With this in mind whats to stop a group of men thinking that are elite & above the rest of us, who plan to instigate a New World Order.[QUOTE]

A trite answer is that they haven't been very successful as they are not much nearer and been at it over a 100 years! However I'm sure there are very high ranking freemasons making all kinds of decisions I'm not privy to but would sure as hell like to be...

Personally I agree there is a NWO agenda out there and I believe there will be 3 g.ments within the next 100 years -Washington ruling the Americas. Strasburg ruling Europe and Beijing ruling Asia -the big fight is which one ends up ruling the world.!!
However we have a few world wars to get through before that anyway..


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After all, the Illuminati infultrated the Masons way back, and as Bill Cooper said himself, this wasn't something that just happened, Masonry was well aware of what the Illuminati were up to.[QUOTE]

Is Bill the pale rider guy? Much if not all history is covered by multi versions. I suggest such a secret group like the Illuminati are often misquoted and confused of their motives. This is not to say what you write isn't correct. I shall sned some time finding out -please point some urls ;-))


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And lets not forget all the hidden esoteric symboloy that Masonry uses. Most members have no idea what these signs actually mean, so whats to say a higher group of masons are not hiding something about Masonrys true meanings.[QUOTE]

Every symbol used in freemasonry is open to question -and indeed is questioned. However is it fair to say an hell of a lot of masons have little or no idea of which/what/why with regard to ritual/symbols etc etc. Of course if we are given one version who is to say that's the correct. ??

No new symbols are included in ritual so they must all be old ones. This helps confuse the 'true' meaning of it and allows for different versions. If you feel a symbol represents GOD but some one else believes it stands for SATAN who is right??. Belief is a personal thing and the sysbols are allowed to represent various things a la 'supreme being'


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I have to disagree. The initiation ceremonies used by the Masons are DIRECTLY linked to those that were practiced in the Mystery Schools back in Babylon and other ancient civilizations.

I would appreciate any responses.
We use a lot of supposedly actient ritual and even suggest it's been handed down to us by king Solomon etc. however it doesn't actually mean it was handed down my him or anyone else. It could be all just made up!!

A lot of Freemasons would love it to be a direct link. Please show me the DIRECT link proven throughout the years i.e from 5000bc to today

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Whilst I can only speak for myself and the small world of freemasonry I belong to, no they DON'T let anyone in. apart from god there are loads of differing requirements like 'good social standing' 'not being bankrupt' 'no criminal record ' -or at least not one which is current or pending. etc etc
The thing is, how do you spot a Satan worshipper? Look for a tail and horns? How do you actually stop someone with bad intentions? The chances are if they have a good enough plan then they will know exactly how to get it done, and wont be caught out by acting suspect.

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What exactly could they do? be more precise?
What I was getting at here was the idea that a long time ago, when founding lodges or various Masonic ideas, who's to say that 'less than Define' intentions were not incorporated into what you do today.

I know you posted a link to the JAHBULON thing, but from that link i got the impression that they were only choosing to interprtate the first part of that word, and passing the rest of it off as being mis interpritated.


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A trite answer is that they haven't been very successful as they are not much nearer and been at it over a 100 years!
I have to disagree. Just take a look at whats going on in America (for a start) right now. Propaganda, Mainstream TV full of lies, a president that cheated to get into power, a war based on lies, and much more... If anything then we are going the right way to create a One World Order....

Surely you recognize the phrase Order out of Chaos?


Illuminati
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Is Bill the pale rider guy? Much if not all history is covered by multi versions. I suggest such a secret group like the Illuminati are often misquoted and confused of their motives. This is not to say what you write isn't correct. I shall sned some time finding out -please point some urls ;-))
Bill Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse. Theres plenty of info out there about the Illuminati, granted some of it is confused or simply just christian ramblings about Satan. But there are some things we know for sure.

Theres some very good info on this very site in various posts, and heres one link that explains a few things.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm



Symbology
[quote]Every symbol used in freemasonry is open to question -and indeed is questioned. However is it fair to say an hell of a lot of masons have little or no idea of which/what/why with regard to ritual/symbols etc etc. Of course if we are given one version who is to say that's the correct. ??[quote]

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We use a lot of supposedly actient ritual and even suggest it's been handed down to us by king Solomon etc. however it doesn't actually mean it was handed down my him or anyone else. It could be all just made up!!

If thats the case then I ask, why get involved with something that you don't know the true history of? Isn't that slightly stupid?

Christians have the Cross because of its relation to Jesus Christ. I could go on and list other symbols that are used for various religions too, but the question is why are you involved with something that's history (apparently) cannot be proven or traced back to anything for sure?

Surely thats like Sheep following the shepard...(to the slaughter?)

If Masonry does indeed enlighten the interested person and educate him on worldy matters then I ask why not just cut out the middle man (masonry) and go straight to the source for information? You don't know for sure what all those symbols actually mean so why put time into them?


On The Origins
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A lot of Freemasons would love it to be a direct link. Please show me the DIRECT link proven throughout the years i.e from 5000bc to today
I don't think there is just a direct link to prove this, but putting the pieces together we can get a pretty good picture. I'm not expert on ancient Egyptian symbology but for a start the initiation ceremonies used by the mystery school ARE directly linked to Masonry and their own ceremonies.

The pyramid and 'all seeing eye' that are used by masons are directly linked to Egypt, thats for sure.

http://www.elkington.emasons.net/

That website's symbolgy speaks volumes.

There are MANY more direct links to show this that are available to those who are interested, but surely you should know this information already? I don't know what degree you actually are at, but before even thinking about joining Masons I would be sure to Educate myself about its origins.

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First of all to the anti masons - despite my deep involvement in masonry I never saw one single shred of anything even remotely resembling satanism. I never met one single mason who I would have even suspected of satanism. I was quite active in doing scottish rite degrees, and saw absolutely nothing that would conflict with any of the mainstream monotheistic religions. I also never saw any evidence of any conspiracy to cover up any crimes committed by masons, or any conspiracy to influence politics. These conspiracy theories and satanism theories that anti-s come up with are pure delusion. "
I'm not saying that you weren't in the Masons, but you have to understand, i'm taking your word that you know all these Masons, and are "deeply involved" in Masonry as you put it. I don't know how you couldn't see certain things that resemble Satanic elements. The very title of "The Grand Architect of the Universe", itself is G.A.O.T.U. which is an anagram of U.G.O.A.T. A reference in part to the Goats headed God of the Knights Templars in Baphomet. (Going back even further into Egypt and Sumeria as the Goat God Mendes.)

There are MANY other aspects that reflect satanic elements in Freemasonry. But i can see how members, or certain people, would not want to admit or accept this. There are many "Satanic" elements in Christianity and the Catholic Church too, but they will fight to the death to defend their self rightious beliefs.

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As a side note Chuck left because he saw racism. I can only speak for the UK masons I've met and racism hasn't yet reared it's ugly head anywhere I've been.
Perhaps you're not looking deeply enough into the symbology, and you're taking things for face value. What do you think "The Great Work" actually means? What do you think "The Great Purification" of the Biblical Revelation , the Mayan/Hopi Prophecies, and the Hindus really means? The KKK was founded by Masons, and there are plenty more Masons who see things in this same "divine light". And they will hide themselves from you Bartlett. Go into 99% of the Chri$tian Churche$ in the US, and you will find many Satanists praising God there..Hiding behind the Podiums and Pews. Hiding behind the Books and Amens...

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but there was a direct quote from a 32 deg mason which stated he NEVER saw anything relating to what you allude..how do you square that circle?
Ok, but then you have multiple 32-33 Degree Masons such as Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall, ect, bestselling authors, all saying basically that LUCIFER is the true God, and that Lucifer is the light by which Freemasonry was founded..Like Teraizhim stated, IT IS NOT ALL MASONS. In fact, probably only 5% of the Elite Masons are really to be scrutinized. But the other 95% have fault as well for feeding a system that they dont understand, and they trust too completely..Just as it is Masonry, so is it Religion and Politics..It's the 5% at the top, guiding and herding the 95% at the botton..And lying to them all the way to get the donkey to chase the carrot into oblivion ..

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the 'origins' of FM is hotly disputed -far more so actually by those IN freemasonry than those out. My province has a library of 12,00 books for christsake.. which is by no means the biggest.

personally I don't believe the 'originated from stonemasons' line either-but that doesn't make me right..I would love to believe it's templars rosslyn orisis egypt but again that doesn't make it true.
This right here is part of the problem. You WANT to believe that your Mason brothers and ancestors are responsible for the Creation of Egypt and the building of the Pyramids. In fact, you might be pleased to know that the roots and idealolgy of your society do indeed go back to this period and before. But it was built on lies, corruption, slavery, and deciet the likes of which "Lucifer' himself would be proud..


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We use a lot of supposedly actient ritual and even suggest it's been handed down to us by king Solomon etc. however it doesn't actually mean it was handed down my him or anyone else. It could be all just made up!!

A lot of Freemasons would love it to be a direct link. Please show me the DIRECT link proven throughout the years i.e from 5000bc to today
Yes, it could all be a lie, and not really founded with Solomon and Egypt at all..Why be a part of some fake quasi religious cult that you don't fully understand, that gives you riddles and forgery for faith, and makes you climb a long ladder before they even begin to show you the real picture?? And keep in mind, i'd say maybe even the majority of 32-33 degree Masons arn't "Chosen" and privvy to the knowledge of the upper level groups and controllers of the United Masonic Power Structure..

I respect your intelligence and will R.Bartlett, but there are people who follow things that are wrong. Look at all the religions who have killed people in the millions who would not subscribe to their belief. Look at all the millions of pyramid schemes that drain the money upwards from the lower level people/functionaries, into the pockets of the people at the top of the pyramid..Frankly, when looking at related organizations like Skull and Bones, and the Bohemian Grove, i don't know how you could deny there being atleast POTENTIAL negative elements within the ranks of Freemasonry, and that these elements, greedy, powerhungry and deceptive, have wormed their slimy ways up to the highest most levels of "The Craft" as your people like to call it..

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racism- freemasons are by their very being human. A group of Freemasons in inner city London cannot be compared to some guy's in the deep south of us of a. They are freemasons all BUT they have different mindsets. Therefore a blanket 'was racist' etc is not correct.
Why can't some old men in inner city London be nearly as racist as so me people in the deep south? Racism can exist anywhere, and with any people. Most notably people who have aquired a grandois amount of money, and have attained substantial influence on the levels of social engineering, and bloodline aristocracy and prominency.

The royal crest of London, the BLOODLINE crest of the city, are two royal dragons guarding the WHITE CROSS of the Babylonian/Sumerian St. George. Are these the same Dragons as in the KKK's Grand Dragon?

Also R. Bartlett, i'm interested in if your a Bush supporter. Not that Kerry would have been better, but i'm just curious..
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(I didn't write, nor agree with EVERY single element of this article. But it is good and fitting nonetheless.)


FREEMASONRY PROVEN TO WORSHIP LUCIFER
Once you understand what is going on in the world you can then recognize evidences of Satanism in so many, many places.
http://www.global-conspiracies.com/lucifer.htm

THE PENTAGRAM


It was proven from Masonic books that Masons worship both Lucifer and Satan. They serve both the "good" Lucifer and the "evil" Satan. They believe that both good and evil exist in equal measure in the world.

They also believe good cannot exist without an equally powerful evil.

This belief is the reason we see both type of 5-pointed stars within Masonry; the star with the upright single point is a symbol of the "good" Lucifer, while the star with the two points upward is a symbol of the "evil" Satan. It also takes 33 degrees of rotation of a pentagram(one point up) to achieve a Satanic pentagram(two points up). Coincidence? I don't think so.

The women's division of Freemasonry; Eastern Star (above right) is based upon the "evil Satan" Star, the Goats Head of Mendes. This is one of the Infernal Names of Satan within Satanism.

In looking at the Eastern Star Goatshead (above right), the star itself is a Goatshead, and the star in the middle is a plain Goatshead, which is within an inverted pentacle. In one symbol there are three instances of inverted pentagrams.

So, just how important is the Pentagram to the Satanist? Listen to the Witch of Salem, Massachusetts, Laura Cabot, on this question. In her book, Power of the Witch: The Earth, the Moon, and the Magical Path to Enlightenment, 1989, p. 90, Cabot says, "It really isn't that difficult to distinguish the Craft from Satanism. Witches wear the pentacle with the point up. Satanists reverse it with the point down ..." Once we examine the two symbols above, both Masonic, we can only conclude that Freemasonry admittedly serves both the "good Lucifer" and the "evil Satan!"

Cabot has more to say on page 93, about the significance of the Pentagram to witchcraft. "It [Pentagram] consists of a five-pointed star inside a circle. It is the key symbol of the Craft. It is the witch's Mandala ...." [Emphasis added]

The Pentagram, inside a circle or with no circle, is the key symbol of witchcraft. Both "good" and "evil" pentagrams are within Freemasonry in abundance.

THE TRIANGLE -- CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS ARTICLE
The Triangle wasn't the first subject mentioned on this page because the Pentagram is far more important to their practice of Witchcraft.

The triangle is part and parcel of the Pentagram. The triangle plays a big part within the Hexagram as well.

FREEMASONRY TEACHES MAN IS BECOMING GOD

To the occultist, the triangle is very important. It is used constantly in every conceivable manner. It is used either with the point up or down.

When you see the point down, this represents the Deity and is called the Deity's Triangle or the Water Triangle.

The Earthly Triangle or Pyramid Triangle is what it is called when one point is up. It "symbolizes the PERFECT OR DIVINE MAN." This quote is not from some heinous Black-hooded Satanist, it comes from a 33rd Degree Masonic author named George Steinmetz [Freemasonry: Its Hidden Meaning , New York, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, 1948, p. 63, repeated on p. 67]

As any person familiar with Scripture will tell you, the Gospel of Jesus Christ tells man boldly and clearly that no person can work themselves up to being "divine;" indeed, all our effort is as "filthy rags" to Jesus Christ. Yet, Freemasonry joins all pagan groups in saying that man can become "divine" or "perfect." In another book, George returns to this theme once again, this time blaspheming an important and familiar Scripture, God's own Words, to be exact. Listen:

"Be still -- and know -- that I am God ... That I AM GOD -- the final recognition of the All in All, the unity of the Self with the Cosmos -- the cognition of the DIVINITY OF THE SELF!" [Emphasis in the original; George H. Steinmetz, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, Richmond, Virginia, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, 1923, p. 92]

You have just witnessed a Masonic author twist the Words of God in Exodus 3:14. How? He applied them to mankind. This blasphemy is an excellent example to show us why Freemasonry has been so sensitive about any of its secrets ever becoming public knowledge. Masons in every age knew that if the general public knew the Satanic core that existed in the heart of Freemasonry, the organization would either go into oblivion or would be arrested and put in jail. Now you know why Freemasonry insists that its Initiates pledge that, if they divulge any of Masonry's secrets, he would agree to having his throat slit and be disemboweled.

If you think this blasphemy of saying that man can become God is unique to George Steinmetz, listen to two more Masonic authors. Manly P. Hall, another 33rd Degree Mason, writes, "Man is a God in the making ..." [The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 92] Masonic author, Joseph Fort Newton, clearly and boldly states, ".. to the profoundest insight of the human soul -- that God becomes man that man may become God." [The Religion of Freemasonry: An Interpretation, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, 1969, p. 37]

MASONRY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT FREEMASONRY ORIGINATED IN THE PLACE WHERE SATAN DWELLS!
Albert Churchward, another Masonic author states that the triangle pointing upward us a symbol for Set, which is one of the Infernal Names for Satan. [Signs and Symbols of Primordial Man , George Allen and Company, Ltd., 1913, p. 189, 309, and 471]. Then, Masonic author, J.S.M. Ward states, "With the point upwards, the equilateral triangle stands for Shiva the Destroyer and signifies the flame which rises upwards from the funeral pyre toward Heaven. This symbol is familiar to us in several degrees, most notably the Thirtieth degree." [Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods, 1921, p. 10-11; also reported by Masonic authors William Meyer, The Order of the Eastern Star, p. 20; Alain Danielou, The Gods of India , p. 385.


Shiva is another name for Satan in the occult. The triangle with one point pointing up is a symbol for Satan. Most likely this is the reason why the pyramid is such an important symbol to the Mason. This is the symbol on the reverse of the one dollar bill. This symbol contains two triangles: the Pyramid itself and the All-Seeing Eye of Horus (Osiris). Occultists know that both Horus and Osiris are alternate names for Satan. There is one more proof from Masonic authors, that Satan is the one they worship.

Masonic authors tell us that they worship Lucifer in yet another way. Lynn Perkins (a Masonic Author), states that "Shamballa has a bearing on the ancient origins of Freemasonry and upon its future in the coming Aquarian Age ..." [Masonry In The New Age, p. 56] Then, on pages 55-56, Perkins says that today's Mason has no idea that Freemasonry comes from such an ancient, esoteric source. Most Masons today understand that the roots of their organization are in Satanism. When Perkins said that Freemasonry had its origins in Shamballa, he just identified Masonry as Satanic. Alice Bailey, with her Demon Master -- Master D.K. -- writing through her, stated that "Shamballa is the mythological place where the 'Lord of the World', Sanat Kumara, or Shiva , is supposed to live." [Discipleship in the New Age Lucis/Lucifer Publishing, 1955, 135-36].

Masonic author, Perkins, has just admitted that Freemasonry originated in the place where Shiva (Satan) lives. Since the Bible clearly, boldly, and unequivocally states that Satan's place is in Hell, we can see that Masonry has just admitted that she originated in Hell.

Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree Mason, K.T., in his book, Initiates of the Flame boldly admits Freemasonry is from Hell; "Those who follow the path of faith (or the heart) use water and are known as the Sons of Seth, while those who follow the path of the mind and action are the Sons of Cain, who was the son of SAMAEL , the Spirit of Fire. Today, we find the latter among the alchemists, the Hermetic philosophers, the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons." [p. 20]

Hall places Freemasonry among the circle of the damned -- Sons of Cain , who rebelled against God; alchemists who are known sorcerers, Black Magicians, and worshippers of Satan, and the Rosicrucians who have so desecrated the precious cross of Jesus Christ with Pentagrams and Hexagrams as to make you sick.

Hall's major revelation was that Freemasonry is the son of SAMAEL. being careful not to confuse Samael with the beloved prophet Samuel. SAMAEL is one of the Infernal Names of Satan. In fact, House of Theosophy author, writing under the influence of her demon possessing her -- Master D.K. -- identifies SAMAEL as Satan! [The Secret Doctrine, p. 378] In fact, Satanists have a symbol of SAMAEL.

The pentagram on the left with the one point up represents the Divine Man specifically and Lucifer the good god generally; the pentagram on the right with two stars up and the goats head is called the Goats Head of Mendes by most Satanists, but Black Magick Satanists call him SAMAEL .

Thus, Hall is admitting that Freemasonry is the worst kind of Black Magick Satanism possible! Now you should no longer be deceived, no matter what propaganda Freemasonry is trying to put forth to deceive you!
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The Real Matrix: Freemasonry
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There is more to this "Clever System" than meets the eye. It is called "Freemasonry." Freemasonry is linked to Satanism, however, not all Masons are evil or have evil intentions. In fact, a majority of them are mislead and kept in the dark as to what the true agenda is.

Superior Masons deliberately lie to their fellow Masons, as those Masons "deserve to be mislead." Explanations given to 95% of all Masons are wrong. Listen to this quote from a Masonic author, Carl Claudy: "Cut through the outer shell and find a meaning; cut through that meaning and find another; under it, if you dig deep enough, you may find a third, a fourth -- who shall say how many teachings?"

So we see that Freemasonry deliberately misleads its members. This behavior of course, is not limited to just members of FreeMasonry, it extends to the entire human race.

Freemasonry is a worship of Lucifer by the top 5% of all Masons. You can spot evidences of Satanism all over the world. There are numerous Masonic/Satanic symbols on this web site, all of which originate from this secret society called, "The Brotherhood of the Serpent/Snake." Many call it "Big Brother" without even realizing its extraterrestrial origins. It was also known in ancient Egypt as "The Mystery Schools."

Freemasonry is the secret organization famous for its use of Christianity as a tool for control. The King James version of the Bible, edited by Sir Francis Bacon (a 33rd degree Freemason), is used to create ORDER in society through the implementation of a Belief system geared towards their Fascist Ideologies. The CHAOS is carefully orchestrated to insure the passing of more and more LAWS that will (eventually) completely destroy freedom. This is why there is more and more MORALITY being preached by the Politicians. This (as well as the WAR ON DRUGS) is the Product of the Secret Societies (Freemasons Etc..) who have a great motto "Ordo Ab Chao" meaning Order Out of Chaos. Agendas are formulated designed to give the powerful more power. Chaos is created, and media blitzed. Then cries go out for solution. Laws are passed which could never have been passed without the chaos. The Order has reigned by deception of the masses, and the Agenda is Accomplished. After all, it IS those secret societies (which follow this Egyptian model) that control the finances, Governments, and Religious systems that currently plague the planet with perversions of truth and Fascist agendas not becoming of the truly enlightened.

Below are quotes written by high level Masons praising Lucifer with references:

"The Mysteries Of Magic' by Eliphas Levi "What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism." page 428.

'The Book Of Black Magic' by Arthur Edward Waite 33° "First Conjuration Addressed to Emperor Lucifer. Emperor Lucifer, Master and Prince of Rebellious Spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode, in what-ever quarter of the world it may be situated and come hither to communicate with me. I command and I conjure thee in the Name of the Mighty Living God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, to appear without noise and without ...." page 244.

'The Secret Teaching Of All Ages' by Manly Palmer Hall 33° "I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } " page CIV.

'The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry' by Manly Palmer Hall 33° "When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy." page 48.

'The Secret Doctrine' by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky "Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization. .
Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." on pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)

"It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)

"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time." page 539 (Volume?)

Albert Pike 33°
"That which we must say to a crowd is - We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees - The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil." Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive in La Femme et l'Enfant dans la FrancMaconnerie Universelle on page 588

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it's splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" Morals and Dogma page 321

As time goes on, people will realize who the REAL enemy is. The human race is asleep and it needs to awaken. If you really want to learn more, nevermind the red pill and eat the red apple and you will learn just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

All of these Masons praise Lucifer. It is also the BIGGEST reason why we see Luciferic designs incorporated into Government center Washington D.C.

Freemasonry is Satan's religion. It is the root of their control system.
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Albert Pike and Three World Wars

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Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. Based on a vision revealed to him, Albert Pike wrote a blueprint of events that would play themselves out in the 20th century, with even more of these events yet to come. It is this blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

About Albert Pike
Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages, although I cannot find a record anywhere of what those languages were. In addition, he is widely accused of plagiarism, so take with a pinch of salt. At various stages of his life we was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.

Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). The Order contained two degrees:

Adelph (or Brother), and

Companion of Ulysses (or Companion of Penelope).

Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together.

Albert Pike died on April 2, 1891, and was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, although the corpse of Pike currently lies in the headquarters of the Council of the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C. (see The Deadly Deception, by Jim Shaw - former 33rd degree Mason and Past Master of all Scottish Rite bodies.)

The Albert Pike Monument
Albert Pike made his mark before the war in Arkansas as a lawyer and writer, but as a Confederate Brigadier General, he was, according to the Arkansas Democrat of July 31, 1978, a complete "WASH-OUT," not a hero. Yet, Gen. Albert Pike is the only Confederate general with a statue on federal property in Washington, DC. He was honoured, not as a commander or even as a lawyer, but as Southern regional leader of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. The statue stands on a pedestal near the foot of Capitol Hill, between the Department of Labor building and the Municipal Building, between 3rd and 4th Streets, on D Street, NW. More detail about the monument, including a photo and map can be found here. Further background on the colorful history of the statue can be found at the Masonic Info website. During the 1992 presidential campaign, Lyndon H. LaRouche and his vice presidential running mate, the Reverend James Bevel, launched a mobilization to remove the statue of General Albert Pike from Washington, D.C.'s Judiciary Square. On February 1, the campaign drew an angry attack from freemasonic leader C. Fred Kleinknecht, who attempted to defend both Pike and the Ku Klux Klan from LaRouche and Bevel's attack. A speech given by LaRouche defending his actions can be found here (March 20, 1992). And a speech by Anton Chaitkin entitled 'Why Albert Pike's Statue Must Fall' can be found here (September 21, 1992).

The Illuminati and Albert Pike
Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society whose name means "Enlightened Ones". Although the Order was founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide operations in 1834. (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's monarchies. As the secrets of the Illuminati were revealed, they were persecuted and eventually disbanded, only to re-establish themselves in the depths of other organizations, of which Freemasonry was one.

During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati's American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini's intention was that once a mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to the secret 'society within a society'.

It is for this reason that most Freemasons vehemently deny the evil intentions of their fraternity. Since the vast majority never reach the 30th degree, they would not be aware of the real purpose behind Masonry. When instructing Pike how the tome should be developed, Mazzini wrote the following to Pike in a letter dated January 22, 1870. Remember that Freemasonry wasn't started by Pike - rather it was infiltrated by the Illuminati who were looking for a respectable forum in which to hide their clandestine activities:

"We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and their diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at the present, but we must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledges to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown." 1
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In 1871, Pike published the 861 page Masonic handbook known as the Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

After Mazzini's death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run their subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

In addition to the Supreme Council in Charleston, South Carolina, Pike established Supreme Councils in Rome, Italy (led by Mazzini); London, England (led by Palmerston); and Berlin, Germany (led by Bismarck). He set up 23 subordinate councils in strategic places throughout the world, including five Grand Central Directories in Washington, DC (North America), Montevideo (South America), Naples (Europe), Calcutta (Asia), and Mauritius (Africa), which were used to gather information. All of these branches have been the secret headquarters for the Illuminati's activities ever since.

Albert Pike and Three World Wars
As do most occultists, Albert Pike had a "spirit guide," who dispensed "Divine Wisdom" and enlightened him regarding how to achieve the New World Order. A spirit guide is a being who meets someone who has given themselves over to the practice of the occult; however, people who are practitioners of the New Age Religion do not view this as a bad thing. In fact, they would strongly argue that they are filled with happiness and joy by interacting with their spirit guides.

One message that Albert Pike received from his spirit guide, and which in reality we know to be a demonic vision, he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place. This is not because the devil has powers of prophecy, but because his agents have undertaken to manipulate political events to closely follow his designs.

It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr's book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:

"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".

It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled. To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written.

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Jews and Arabs. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.
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Rosicrucianism is a mystical belief system and ideology that pursues spiritual and alchemical goals largely through Occult and Christian Gnostic paths. However, throughout history its endeavors have largely been to gain material power on the material plane, and the deep Gnostic teachings have become twisted.

The core of the Secret Doctrine of Rosicrucianism, or Mystic Christianity, is the pursuit of psychic power to control the mind of one's self and others. Through the control of one's will, one gains the unification of one's psychic energies, although it is accepted that certain negative emotions such as guilt, are the inevitable consequence of attempts to control another human being. However, the doctrine overcomes these human feelings by requiring the student to "polarize themselves at the positive pole of a particular emotional state, and by a process of refusing or denial they manage to escape the effects of the swing of the emotional pendulum to the negative pole."

The philosophy goes so far as to state that there is no difference between these two poles or opposites and thus negativity or darkness can be perceived as positivity and light. The Master has learned to strengthen his own will, and control others, directly through the repression of his emotions. The initiated Rosicrucian therefore looks upon the pain and suffering of the world as being no different from the opposing pole of peace and happiness, and in fact believes that one cannot exist without the other. Thus for peace to exist in one country, war must be raging in another, for wealth and abundance to exist in one region, poverty and famine must exist in another.

These mystical theories of opposites stem from Eastern Gnostic concepts of the dual energies of Man that are metaphysically expressed through the act of sex.

Sex ritual and sexual concepts are central to the alchemical Secret Doctrine, as great Power is believed to be released by the union of the pairs of opposites - "Sex is the cause of all creation, for creation always results from generation, and generation proceeds from sex activity".

Though these ideas have developed from Indian Tantric traditions, within Rosicrucianism they have merged with Pagan ideas of sexual fertility ritual. The goal of the Rosicrucian initiate is to gain magickal powers, as opposed to the Indian goal of attaining Enlightenment - an experience of the Love of God.

The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians, published anonymously early in the 20th Century by a senior Rosicrucian "Magus Incognito", was threatened with a lawsuit by the worldwide Rosicrucian Order (AMORC) for revealing the secrets of the order -- although AMORC is just one of many organizations that subscribes to Rosicrucian philosophy -- beliefs that are the foundation of all so-called mystical or occult groups including Freemasonry. As the Secret Doctrine states "The possession of Knowledge unaccompanied by a manifestation and expression in Action, is like the hoarding of precious metals. Forget not the Law of Use, in this and all other things". One must ask what this "magickal" power is to be used for?

According to their dogma, it is the mission of the Rosicrucian initiate to assist in the evolution of human consciousness.

However, their evolutionary theories are fundamentally racist. According to their beliefs, each race is of a higher or lesser degree of consciousness. One race may only step forward to a higher plane when the lowest race is annihilated -- by whatever means it is their unfortunate "destiny" to endure. As theories of reincarnation are also central to the Rosicrucian belief system, such racial genocides are not considered to be negative, but in fact, most positive.

"The individuals of any sub-race who have outstripped their fellows in spiritual unfoldment, are still bound by race ties to their brothers, until the great body of the sub-race moves up to the position of the individual... Great convulsions of Nature destroy practically all traces of the preceding civilization, and leave but few survivors".

The rich and powerful man is believed to be spiritually and genetically of a higher order than the poor man "The law of rebirth and consequences is the only law that can satisfactorily make sense of justice. It explains why individuals are born into wealth or poverty, joy or sorrow, peace or conflict". The indigenous peoples of the world are considered "a remnant of degraded human creatures, persisting in incarnation for thousands of years, being composed of those souls not sufficiently advanced to take part in the life of the new races. These left overs are in evidence in the cases of the Australian savages, the African bushmen, and the Indians, and others of a similar low order of developments".

The higher ranks of Freemasonry are the lower ranks of the exclusive Rosicrucian orders. The Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, the Priory of Sion etc. are instructed in these Occult beliefs; which means many powerful people have been conditioned to internalize these dehumanizing values.

At first glance it may appear that the Catholic monastic orders are at odds with Rosicrucianism, however, the historical "civilizing" and "educational" mission of the Jesuits is rooted in these same beliefs. It is believed by scholars that the inner-circle mystic teachings of the Jesuits and Rosicrucianism are essentially the same thing. Pope John Paul II's announcement that "God is a supreme being with both male and female qualities", contradicts traditional Catholic teaching, and is essentially a Rosicrucian/Gnostic concept. In fact, the orthodox Roman Catholic Church has always been fundamentally linked with the Rosicrucian Secret Church. It is alleged that Pope John XXIII was Grand Master of the Priory of Sion during his papal reign, and the creator of the Cistercian monks St. Bernard was involved in the formation of the Knights Templar. Rosicrucians believe that "Christ taught the laws of rebirth and consequences secretly to his disciples, but requested that these two laws not be taught publically for 2000 years". Traditional Catholicism's obsession with sex, is also a result of the Vatican's knowledge of these secret teachings.

According to aristocratic historian Sir Laurence Gardner, the British contingent of the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court embodies the "Knights Templar of St.Anthony" and resides within the "Rosicruciana Anglicae" fraternity -- revealing that "Satanism" and Rosicrucianism are not so much distant cousins, as close relatives. Perhaps this goes some way to explaining why the Catholic order of the Knights Templar worshiped an idol named "Baphomet" -- a goat headed and hoofed androgenous figure with female breasts, an erect penis, and a pentagram on its forehead. The massively wealthy Knights (gold bullion got its name from Templar creator Godfroi de Bouillon) are widely credited with originating the capitalist banking system and corporate model, and were eventually hounded by the Church's Inquisition allegedly for "infanticide, sodomy, and witchcraft", although their demise did save the Church and many Princes of Europe from repaying great debts. However, many Templars relocated to England and Scotland where their tradition continued with the formation of Freemasonry.

Just as within the enormous body of the Catholic Church there are many monastic and ecclesiastic orders with varying perceptions of Catholic dogma, so too the Rosicrucian Secret Church and its Great White Brotherhood can be seen to be totally unified within its apparent fragmentation.

The repression and denial of the "negative feelings resulting from one's actions" is an attempt to avoid feelings of guilt and social responsibility. The reverse thinking of Rosicrucianism is clearly an historical ideology created by the rich and powerful, and based upon their pursuit of conquest and power. Ultimately it is no different to the psychology of a psychopath or sociopath, as psychiatry defines. The mental profile of a serial killer always follows a spiraling pattern -- feelings of inadequacy are overcome by power fantasies of control and murder. These fantasies become an obsession and ultimately a compulsion, forcing the psychopath to act out his fantasy. After the initial elation of fulfilment, guilt follows, and the feelings of inadequacy return, but to a higher degree. The spiral downward begins again with renewed fantasies, more desperate than before, to repress the human feelings of guilt. And so obsession becomes compulsion etc. Any belief system founded on a similar spiral of repression of natural human moral feelings can only lead to similar compulsive sociopathic behavior. This logic is apparent in the modern world with its internalized amoral "corporate values" of greed and conquest, and is illustrated by Henry Kissinger's infamous statement "We're bombing them to save them from themselves".

Rosicrucianism was the foundation for the beliefs of the Theosophy movement, which was largely responsible for the ideology of the Nazis and the resulting Holocaust.
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