JFK Assassination Theories / Who Shot JFK? (Merged)

[cwohardy]

All the tv stations are running all the old theories about the Kennedy killing. The man is dead!!!! He died of a gunshot wound!!!! Get over it!!!!!

Sorry the man was murdered but shheeesshh get over it! Does anyone actually believe America would have been a better place being run by the Kennedy family? Camelot my big fat butt! Look at all the crap that the family has produced. Every last one of them was a liar/cheated on their spouses (some with minor babysitters)/drunks (Ted killed Mary Joe and Willie raped a women). For the love of Pete people get over it. They were no more or less human than any other politicians on the planet. I personally CANT WAIT until the last Kennedy is out of public office.

RANT RANT RANT
:o

[MetalMilitia]

Well, if you have the history channel they are doing JFK conspiracies (you're right) but a lot of the theories are updated. A lot of JFK's killing (supposedly) had to do with the dealing of the VP... Lyndon B Johnson.

I thought it made for an interesting show, but we aren't gonna know the truth until its made public in what... 2028?

[DarkAce]

The man is dead!!!! He died of a gunshot wound!!!! Get over it!!!!!

Well it's not like it was an accident or he died in combat...he was assassinated. He was a person in high status of power when he was killed so it's bound to draw attention to it even years after it's happened. Personally I could careless, but what I care about and what the world cares about can be totally different. Hell Pac and Biggie conspiracies still exist even.

[MetalMilitia]

I've heard so many theories from the history channel my brain is fried.
I can provide one (in my beleif) FACT : JFK was not simply killed by one man. There was a whole network of people that benefitted from his death, and despite what you say about him being dead, he did have a HUGE effect on politics and the way the American public thinks about their president...

[Emerald_Dragon]

>but a lot of the theories are updated.

yeah, but they're all saying the same thing...LHO was alone. Gerald Ford, Governor Connally's wife, et al. Nothing conspiratorial.

but if you go here and read for yourself
http://www.archives.gov/research_roo...rb_report.html

you'll learn that the HSCA of 1978 and the JFK Act of 1992, say otherwise. Clearly, the recent television broadcasts, in honor of JFK, didn't do their due diligence. Namely, there was a conspiracy, more than one gunman was involved, and the CIA had operatives all over the place that they did not want to reveal without alot of arm twisting.

sure, he's dead. but LHO was not alone, the ex-marine patsy was a CIA operative, but of course, they would not confirm it. so was Shaw.

[MetalMilitia]

"sure, he's dead. but LHO was not alone, the ex-marine patsy was a CIA operative, but of course, they would not confirm it. so was Shaw."

...I'm gonna move away from the "who cares" side of it, and continue asking questions which deserve answers...

LHO in my opinion was set up and used to take the fall. His prints (plam) were found on the stock of the gun, and in the "sniper nest" positions on the cardboard boxes.

NEW INFORMATION: THE "WHAT HAPPENED QUESTION" On the courtTV network, they had a 1 hour special which more or less was used to actually disprove the idea of a conspiracy... to a certain point. The fact of the matter is, the "magic bullet" theory DOES hold water. I never used to beleive in this idea, and I dismissed it as complete BS, but they recreated EVERY aspect of how LHO would have to shot in order for it to work, and it was pretty convincing. They went so in-depth to recreate the crime scene I was glued to my TV :)

According to "experts" LHO missed with his first shot. That caused
Governor Connally to start to turn, the second shot was then fired. Right as he turned JFK was struck in the upper right chest / throat. The bullet continued throught the seat, through the back of the governor, came out right around his nipple (:)) went into his right arm, came out through his wrist, and finally ended up lodged in his thigh... and the bullet fell out on a hospital bed at a later time.

This REALLY sounds like complete BS does it not? Well, CTV went so in-depth that they recreated the body positions that the 2 were in when the supposed "magic bullet" shot was fired. I wish I had a diagram, but in the frame where JFK is holding his neck / chest gov connally is also turned to his right, looking back. His body frame is set up in such a way that the path of the bullet / line of fire WOULD be consistant. I couldn't beleive it! This whole theory was based on the fact that after LHO shot the magic shot the bullet came out of JFK sideways (and gov connalys scar on his back is proof) and continued on that way. The only problem I see with this is that the bullet WAS recovered, and was only flattened slightly on one side. You have to bear in mind that this bullet went through 2 people (off bones) and a seat, and it is barely damaged. Other than that, the body positions and line of fire was VERY convincing... (oh my god, now they have brain washed me too)

The other aspect they took a look at was the infamous "Back.... and to the left" headshot. We all know that when JFK was struck in the head it really looked like it came from the front and the the right... the grassy knoll. Many witnesses reported hearing a shot from that direction, and if you look in the background of the Zepruder film (maybe another shot? I don't remember which film / pic), you can actually see one of the motorcycle officers dump his bike, and look in that direction. I'm not arguing his head went back, and to the left and ended up on jackie kenedys shoulder but CTV also recreated this shot as well. In the shot, they used a human skull, impacted with animal flesh used to recreate the "brain" and head of the president (not pretty :)). The shot at it with the same rifle LHO used, and when the skull fragmented or in dumb peoples terms... splattered, mostly backwards. It shattered and flew backwards. This to me seemed to defy the laws of physics... Every recreation I had seen before this led me to beleive that in order for him to go "back... and to the left" the shot had to come from the front right.

Take a look at the file now of the zepruder film. The motorcade JFK was is in when the headshot was fired is almost directly in front (and slightly to the right) of the grassy knoll. If a shot had been fired from there it would have his him in the side of the head... I don't know what to think anymore.

They also replayed a tape of the radio transmission the motorcade recorded that day. In it, you could almost, and I say almost, hear 4 total gunshots. This is not consistant with the story you have been told by the warren comission... in which 3 shots were fired, all by LHO. The first shot missed, gov turns, then magic bullet, then headshot. But in the recording there was a fourth "boom" sound. The people on CTV say that the 4th shot missed, and was lodged in the sidewalk....

The WHY if any...

This still does not answer the "WHY" part of the question. No way in HELL was LHO acting alone. Lyndon B Johnson had connections in the CIA which extended to some of the people that knew LHO... including the forementioned Shaw.

Personally, as I said LHO did not at alone, and there was a cover-up of sorts, but evertyhing I have learned reently had enlightened me...

I'll post more later, if anyone is interested...

Anyhoo, if you have CourtTV they will replay it, and I would highly recommend you watchi it.

~I blew a breath test of .21 MUhhahhahahaa

[Smersh]

The fact of the matter is, the "magic bullet" theory DOES hold water.

I've read lots and seen lots on TV etc over the years concerning this assasination. I still don't understand how a bullet, supposedly fired by Lee Harvey Oswald from behind, apparently entered the president's head from the front.

Of course, none of us has any actual proof that any of the possible scenarios happened because we can only go on what we have seen and heard (unless anyone has inside knowledge of course.)

I have to say though, from what I have learned, it does seem very unlikely that Oswald shot JFK.

[cwohardy]

he did have a HUGE effect on politics and the way the American public thinks about their president...

yes it did. My point is, with everything we have learned about him, the world continues to blather on about Camelot. He was basically a male slut who didn't bother to let the fact that he was President of the U.S.A. interfere with his whoring. Not to mention all the mob connections, mysterious deaths, everybody in the family having some emotional problem etc. Why do we continue to hold this family up as some ideal???? The only thing I credit him for in a positive way is the space program and that was only from a desire to beat the U.S.S.R., not from any desire to advance the field of science exploration.

before anyone says "well what about him facing down the bad guy over cuba?" Ever heard the Monroe Doctrine? he gave that up in a heartbeat, something Kruschev planned for. Also you got the fact that he knew and approved of the Bay of Pigs and then tried to cover up the fact that we left those poor people to die there, same as Bush Sr did with the Southern Iraq people when they tried their uprising during 91 and we left them dangling.

I just want people to GET OVER IT. His assination has caused people to worship this memory of Camelot and blinded them to the truth of his adminstrations failings. No other non assasinated president gets this glossing over treatment of their time in office. People can and should question the circumstances surrounding his murder. But at the same time realize he was not all that AND a bowl of grits.

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

I agree...its been 40 years since the guy died. Let him rest already!

[MetalMilitia]

"I agree...its been 40 years since the guy died. Let him rest already!"

Yeah, 40 years of half-truths and lies...

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

Yeah, you're exactly right Metal Militia. But what can one do about it? Nothing. There are more pressing things going on than trying to decipher who killed the poor guy.

Do you really believe his son died the way it was reported?

Sue

Originally posted by MetalMilitia
"I agree...its been 40 years since the guy died. Let him rest already!"

Yeah, 40 years of half-truths and lies...

[MetalMilitia]

What am I gonna do about it?
Wait till it gets declassified in 2028....

haha

Fact is there isn't anything I CAN do, but I'm never going to agree with the stance of "who cares, he's dead," because it played a HUGE role in how politics play out and are applied. It's also one of the MANY instances in which we catch out government telling a big fat lie, or not disclosing all the facts... but don't say "who cares."

A wise man once said, "It's a big sh!t sandwich, and we all have to take a big bite."

...mmmmm...

[Smersh]

Did Lee Harvey Oswald Assassinate John F. Kennedy on 22nd November 1963? Did he act alone? Were others responsible (and not Oswald?) Four options to vote for.

[Smersh]

Incredibly, after some 36 years of doubt in my mind, (see my post above,) as of a few hours ago I now believe Oswald assassinated JFK and acted alone. The main reason I now have this belief is because of a new TV documentary I just watched:

JFK: The simple truth

I will discuss the contents of this program in another post, because to report it all fully would require quite a long post, but believe me, it is in my opinion, the definitive answer to this 40 year old question.

In the meantime I have just posted a poll here we can all vote on:

Who Shot JFK?

[MetalMilitia]

The Mob, the Cubans, and the Russians all had reason to want Kennedy dead. The idea that Lee Harvey Oswald, an under-achieving awkward misfit, acting alone could murder the most powerful man in the world is simply an example of how banal murders can be. The absence of any real evidence of involvement by anyone other than Oswald, plus the computerised reconstructions of the assassination, which demonstrate how a single bullet passed through Kennedy before injuring Texas Governor John Connally in the front seat of the limousine, convinced me that there was no conspiracy. None. Oswald fired the fatal shot. There was no second gunman. There was no conspiracy.

I think you saw the same program I was talking about in which it proved that JFK and Conally could have been struck by the same bullet. I'm 90% Sure that the way they described it how it all went down.

However, the headshot part of it still baffles me. If it truly was LHO acting alone, why did the motorcycle cop behind and to the right get covered with "brain matter"? People repeat for hours about the headshot.... "back... and to the left..." so I'm not gonna kick at it.

The Mob, the Cubans, and the Russians all had reason to want Kennedy dead.

Im going to stick with my belief that he was working with or for one of the orginizations, which one I haven't a clue. There was just to much going on politically and given his background he was influenced by SOMEONE to do this.

Good Read Smersh :)

[Emerald_Dragon]

don't believe he did because he could not be in 2 places at once.
BTW, i couldn't sign on with my old alias because it was too long...oh well...

[SeekNDestroy]

I think I saw the same documentary as Smersh. Where a bullet hits a body doesn't really affect which way it falls, so that theory doesn't work. And the bullet was largely undamaged because it only hit one bone (the guy who wasn't Kennedy's wrist).

[Smersh]

Good Read Smersh

Yeah sorry MM maybe I should have figured from your post that you may have seen the same documentary, but because we've just had the 40th anniversary of the assassination, our TV channels have been swamped with any number of JFK docs, claiming all kinds of different things.

The program I saw (and also Mike, I'm certain if you were watching BBC2 last night) was by Gavin Estler (a presenter on the BBC "Newsnight" program.) The guy who did the computer simulations recreated the whole scene as a 3D computer model in which everything in it, right along the timeline of the events, could be viewed and replayed at any speed and from any angle. Deely Plaza, the school book depository, the "grassy verge", everything was there including all the buildings and covering a large enough area to include the presidential motorcade, on its journey before it turned left into Deely Plaza and afterwards. He fed into the computer all the relevent data, including every frame of the Zapruder film and every frame of the movie preceding that, taken by the TV cameraman before the motorcade made its turn.

He fed into the program all the relevent data concerning the events, such as the trajectory of the bullets as based on ballistics information and the Zapruder film and also fed in the exact timing of the events also based on the movie footage. 3D models of the President, Jackie Kennedy, Governor Connolly and all the secret service men, motorcycle outriders etc were placed in their exact positions and adjusted exactly as the timeline progressed.

Anyone who has any knowledge of 3D computer worlds (for example in games such as Quake etc) will be familiar with the type of computer graphics I mean. In TV coverage of some sporting events, (such as test match cricket, but I guess it's now used in baseball etc as well) there is a 3D computer device called "Hawkeye" which uses a 3D world and a timeline of events to accurately determine the trajectory, bounce and speed of a ball, which can then be replayed in order to see if certain controversial umpire/referee decisions were correct. This type of simulation is, as anyone who's familiar with it be aware, unnerringly accurate in it's results.

This Kennedy recreation used exactly the same technology. The crucial part of the program for me and the part which finally convinced me that Oswald was resonsible was when the simulation was frozen at the exact point where the third bullet (the so-called "magic" bullet) was retraced from the point where it struck the President to it's point of origin. A straight line appeared leading out from and back at an angle from the back of Governor Connolly's shoulder, through the skull of JFK and out of its rear and when traced back it went ... right into the window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository and where Oswald was said to have been placed.

It may well be of course that this same computer animation was used in other documentaries (not just this Gavin Estler one) so I'm pretty sure you probably saw the animation, if not the findings in the rest of the program, MM.

As for the motive behind the assassination, the program unearthed thousands of documents that had been released over the years under the Freedom of Information Act and also looked at news clippings etc from 1963 and the conclusion was reached that Oswald was acting under indirect instructions from Fidel Castro, because Castro had gotten wind of a plot by the Attorney General, Robert Kennedy, to Assassinate him (ie Castro.)

[Smersh]

Hi Emerald good to see you made it over here. :) Sorry about the usernames that's a problem we need to look at and agree on amongst the mods - I reckon we should make the field a bit longer (we also have "aredhotchillipep" )

don't believe he did because he could not be in 2 places at once.

Not sure what you are referring to here, but I think it's possible that you mean the person who claimed to have seen Oswald getting a can of Coke from a vending machine on the ground floor of the School Book Depository 5 minutes before the assassination couldn't have got to the sixth floor in time. I saw that being given in evidence myself in a famous TV documentary of a mock trial some years ago "The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald." (incidentally, the verdict in that mock trial was that Oswald was guilty and acted alone.) All I can say about that is that this witness was either lying, or got the times wrong - please see my latest comments in the JFK topic in this Conspiracies forum.

I now believe Oswald was responsible and acted alone, and voted as such.

One can't forget the aliens who are secretly running everything.

I'm sure it was aliens who killed JFK and set-up Oswald.

How about looking into this prez. . .

or

Perhaps it was re-incarnated Egyptians :rollin:

[prezhorusin04]

Well two-socks..if Oswald was a gunman, it seems almost obvious that he wasn't acting alone..
If you watch the Abraham Zapruter film (i've rented it a few times) you clearly see that there is a definite shot to the throat before the head shots are fired.-You clearly see that the head shot comes from the front part of the head.Yet the government has denied that there was even a shot to Kennedy's throat and that there was ever any evidence of anyone but Oswald being involved.
Oswald says he's a patsy and is shot dead the next day by a mafia related figure in JACK RUBY. Things seem to indicate that Ruby and Oswald had communications before the assassinations..To me it seems sickeningly obvious that our government either had a direct plot to kill the president, or have withheld a great deal of information about what was involved then they will let us know..And why else would they hide it all unless the TRUTH led back to them?.

And let's not forget the 100+ people who have died under "mysterious" circumstance that were involved in the investigation and reporting of the case.Not to mention Bobby Kennedy and J.F.K. jr..(Marylin Monroe too).Loose lips sink ships and there is a tremedous stench coming from what happened in Dallas that day..

Here is some very interesting info from the Icke book CHildren of the MAtrix.

I can't help thinking, however, that there was more to the assassination than this and it has the feel of a long planned sacrificial murder, in accordance with the Brotherhood's ancient ritual laws. THe location of the assassination, Dallas, Texas is close to the 33rd parallel of the 33rd degree of latitude. The top level of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is the 32nd defree and the 33rd degree is only for those who have contributed significantly to the Great Work, the takeover of Planet Earth. Dealey Plaza is a mass of esoteric symbolism and is officially named after a 33rd degree Freemason called George Bannerman Dealey, an early executive of the Dallas Morning News. Dealey means "goddess line". Ley can also mean rule or law in Spanish, so translating as "goddess rule". Either is perfect symbolism for the Brotherhood, especially the latter. Dealey Plaza, the site of the first Freemason temple in Dallas, is shaped like a pyramid with the capstone missing. The top is truncated by a railway bridge. The main pyramid is cut into two more by Main Street which runs directly through the centre. It is, in fact, three pyramids, two inside the one: the trinity or triad. Two energies interacting produce a third. If anyone thinks this is mere coincidence they shoud do a little research into the background of the Brotherhood secret societies at the top levels and see the staggering obsession they have with their symbols and rituals. Kennedy was killed near the grassy knoll on the right of the pyramid. THe old Court House nearby which looks into Dealey Plaza is decorated with gargoyles. On top of the Courthouse is the symbol of the ancient Order of the Dragon and Snake.Dealey Plaza, to the secret societies, is a Sun Temple.

There is about another 30-40 pages that deal with Kennedy in some aspect or another with fact and symbolic possibility.
i really recommend the book.-Another fine book that deals with the Kennedy assassination is CROSSFIRE by JIM MARRS.
And, indeed, when you look at the overhead view of Dealey Plaza you clearly see that it is a 3 road pyramid that leads up to an overpass running thru the missing capstone...

(i'll go into the relation that i believe connects the Egyptian art of circumsision into the symbol of the missing capstone and 3rd eye some other time..Since that has little to do w/ Kennedy in this POLL.)

Hey, What if The BeAst left his mark with J.F.K. that day?..It's number is 666 and Kennedy was killed in 63.'

That's a couple of cents thrown on the table of discussion since you asked for it.-i'm beginning to wonder if Oswald was even a shooter that day.<>

oh, and i almost forgot. THere is an official CIA memo in the William Cooper Book BEHOLD A PALE HORSE that is regarding "control of information" in the Kennedy case and is addressed to one MR BUSH..George Bush was quoted as saying "It must have been another Bush."-i'm not so sure though.
:indiffer: :indiffer: :rollin:

Again with the pyramids. . .you pleasure yourself to images of pyramids. . .I'm sure.

[prezhorusin04]

Haven't fired a weapon since i was a little kid, but you definatley make me want to try it again.;)

You claim to be such a fan of 'ol Michael Moore, yet you leave little doubt about your desire to shoot another human being. What do ya think Mr Moore would have to say to that?


I bet he'd blame Bush, tho.

But, you didn't answer about pleasuring yourself to the imagees of pyramids....;)

[prezhorusin04]

Joking two-socks, i wouldnt shoot you or anyone (unless of course they were trying to shoot me or a loved on.)-i'd just make ya dance a bit!! Just kidding!-:p I'd just pistol whip you about a little.!!-HA!!-

As for the pyramids and sexual arousal, it doesn't get me off but i do think that the missing capstone represents circumsision and the 3rd eye..-The Egyptian high priests were the first to practice circumsision as a ritual for SEXUAL WORSHIP as they would then make their "wands" more sexually condusive & aroused.

Strangely, the first pornography came from Egypt in the forms of "kama-Sutra" esque drawings portraying Egyptian women in various stages of sexual intercourse..This early porn was passed around widely in Greek and Roman days on tubes of rolled up paper.!

In fact, Gillian Anderson of the x-files says that she has a lot of these portrayals of "Egyptian porn" up all over her bedroom walls..

So for the record, i dont "pleasure" myself to pyramids, i'm only hung like one.(Just kidding, it's more like the GREAT WALL!)
Sorry, thought i'd try some humor.
And i'm more likely to like Gillian Anderson then a massive man made ant hill to the "gods".

Geeze..
Back to Kennedy anyone??:rollin: