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Old May 27th, 2004, 4:48 PM   #1
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Grand Lodge is collecting DNA, finger prints and more from children

How naive does a person have to be to believe that this masonic/government program is completely benevolent and altruistic. How stupid does a parent have to be to trust these people to not use the DNA to build up a DNA database? The DNA database is an admitted fact and here they are publicly building it up under the guise of protecting the children. Parents could gather all this from their children and keep it themselves--and then in the event that a child went missing, they could then let the police look at it, why on earth does a secret society need to be involved? PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

Child ID system makes its mark
14,000 prints taken in Milton

MILTON -- Adventure is Tom Bruynell's middle name. Ever since the 4-year-old could walk, he has wandered off at shopping malls, the San Diego Zoo, and his big sister's school band recital. He once went missing for 45 minutes before police tracked him down in the back room of a store playing on a computer.

And so, when his mother, Karen, heard that a free child identification program was being offered in her hometown of Milton yesterday, she grabbed Tom and her other two children and made a beeline to the event.

"These two stick to me like glue," she said, hugging her other children, Jonathan and Hilary . "Tom is the one that's very curious and adventurous and not afraid. And that makes me afraid."

Bruynell's were among the estimated 14,000 children who participated yesterday in a massive, seven-state identification drive organized by the Masonic Child Identification Program, or CHIP.

With 67 participating communities, including several in and around the Boston area, the effort was touted as the largest single-day "comprehensive" child identification drive ever held in the United States.

In addition to being fingerprinted, the children were videotaped answering questions about their family, favorite hiding spots, and places they like to go after school. Dentists and dental hygenists volunteered their time, taking teeth impressions and saliva samples for DNA analysis from each child.

All of the identification materials are kept by the parents to ensure privacy, said Dr. David Harte, a Milton Mason who founded the program in 1998.

"We've done almost 190,000 Massachusetts kids. We should pass that number today," he said of the CHIP program, sponsored by the Grand Lodge of Masons.

In addition to the sign-up drives, 43 public school systems have registered students through the program, Harte said.

He said the most recent system is Quincy. "We have 16 schools there finishing up on June 2. That will make them the largest K-12 school system in the nation" to register all their students, he said.

At Cunningham Hall in Milton yesterday, clowns raced around on roller skates as children -- some bashful, some bubbly -- were videotaped in front of posters indicating their height. Deirdre and Brad Sassaman of Franklin, stood in line to have a mouth swab taken of their 17-month-old, Mae.

"Our daughter is adopted. Her DNA is different," Deirdre Sassaman said. "We wouldn't have a sample without this program."

John and Magdalen Bish, who are testifying this week before a Worcester grand jury investigating their daughter Molly's disappearance and death, were expected to attend yesterday's event in Milton but canceled because of time constraints.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/14..._mark%2B.shtml

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Old May 30th, 2004, 9:37 PM   #2
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Great Post MM.!!
It seems that much of what these Nwomongers do is so ludicrous that people don't believe it's actually happening until it's too late..Or they present the insanity in a way that seems like the logical thing to do..Such as "getting chipped".

This goes right along with the RFID TAGS thread under TECHNOLOGY.
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How naive does a person have to be to believe that this masonic/government program is completely benevolent and altruistic. How stupid does a parent have to be to trust these people to not use the DNA to build up a DNA database? The DNA database is an admitted fact and here they are publicly building it up under the guise of protecting the children. Parents could gather all this from their children and keep it themselves--and then in the event that a child went missing, they could then let the police look at it, why on earth does a secret society need to be involved? PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

Child ID system makes its mark
14,000 prints taken in Milton

MILTON -- Adventure is Tom Bruynell's middle name. Ever since the 4-year-old could walk, he has wandered off at shopping malls, the San Diego Zoo, and his big sister's school band recital. He once went missing for 45 minutes before police tracked him down in the back room of a store playing on a computer.

And so, when his mother, Karen, heard that a free child identification program was being offered in her hometown of Milton yesterday, she grabbed Tom and her other two children and made a beeline to the event.

"These two stick to me like glue," she said, hugging her other children, Jonathan and Hilary . "Tom is the one that's very curious and adventurous and not afraid. And that makes me afraid."

Bruynell's were among the estimated 14,000 children who participated yesterday in a massive, seven-state identification drive organized by the Masonic Child Identification Program, or CHIP.

With 67 participating communities, including several in and around the Boston area, the effort was touted as the largest single-day "comprehensive" child identification drive ever held in the United States.

In addition to being fingerprinted, the children were videotaped answering questions about their family, favorite hiding spots, and places they like to go after school. Dentists and dental hygenists volunteered their time, taking teeth impressions and saliva samples for DNA analysis from each child.

All of the identification materials are kept by the parents to ensure privacy, said Dr. David Harte, a Milton Mason who founded the program in 1998.

"We've done almost 190,000 Massachusetts kids. We should pass that number today," he said of the CHIP program, sponsored by the Grand Lodge of Masons.

In addition to the sign-up drives, 43 public school systems have registered students through the program, Harte said.

He said the most recent system is Quincy. "We have 16 schools there finishing up on June 2. That will make them the largest K-12 school system in the nation" to register all their students, he said.

At Cunningham Hall in Milton yesterday, clowns raced around on roller skates as children -- some bashful, some bubbly -- were videotaped in front of posters indicating their height. Deirdre and Brad Sassaman of Franklin, stood in line to have a mouth swab taken of their 17-month-old, Mae.

"Our daughter is adopted. Her DNA is different," Deirdre Sassaman said. "We wouldn't have a sample without this program."

John and Magdalen Bish, who are testifying this week before a Worcester grand jury investigating their daughter Molly's disappearance and death, were expected to attend yesterday's event in Milton but canceled because of time constraints.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/14..._mark%2B.shtml

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And who's the say the Masons are not snatching children? We've all heard the CIA runs "kids" in this country and others. We've read the news reports from the UK about missing women and children being used in sex rings, and all over Europe. Who's the say the Masons are not involved in this too, hmm?
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Old Jun 25th, 2004, 3:36 PM   #4
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this hits too close to home

I live in NH and I am sorry but there is no way hell that any of my family members are getting a chip inserted into them, as it's the sign of the beast. Secondly when i read the article, it's sad to say but neglect is written all over that article, the parents say he is adventerous I like to say he was not being watched, now parents can be even more lazy and get this device inserted into their kids, so they don't have to watch them. I know how hard it is to be a parent I have 3 young children, I do know where they are all at all times. This article is such a shame to parents all over. Also , in a way it's scary because now the government can really watch you.


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Old Jun 25th, 2004, 3:42 PM   #5
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"In addition to the sign-up drives, 43 public school systems have registered students through the program, Harte said.

He said the most recent system is Quincy. "We have 16 schools there finishing up on June 2. That will make them the largest K-12 school system in the nation" to register all their students, he said.

At Cunningham Hall in Milton yesterday, clowns raced around on roller skates as children -- some bashful, some bubbly -- were videotaped in front of posters indicating their height. Deirdre and Brad Sassaman of Franklin, stood in line to have a mouth swab taken of their 17-month-old, Mae."


Why would they do this? My son is going to first grade this coming up Fall, now would anyone know if they would inform the parents that they are doing this? Now this is very creepy!! If I know this is going on my son's school I won't allow it. I also agree with metal this is stupid, my husband was telling me about this the other day, but I blew him off. I see these people and I am gonna run the other way.

Thanks for putting that article on here and making us all aware of whats really going on!

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Old Jun 25th, 2004, 6:44 PM   #6
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EXcellent points DataBug and Mystical..AGAIN, Great post Militia...This is some of the best evidence yet that the Freemasons are not the benificial organization that they pretend to be..

I've posted this article anywhere people will listen..

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Old Jun 26th, 2004, 6:30 PM   #7
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And remember, not everyone is open minded to the possibility of this all being true. I can imagine that these steps to implant chips into children can easily be taken place in communities where no one in their 'right' mind would think of this as being a conspiracy. Even if I were to warn anyone around my area (lower class hispanic community), I would get the looks on everyone's faces as if I had four heads, my words wouldnt take effect.
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Old Jun 26th, 2004, 9:39 PM   #8
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Old Jun 27th, 2004, 2:18 AM   #9
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Strife, i hear you completely..It's very hard to get through to most people..They are so absorbed in their own worlds, or they think that "conspiracy" is a word only associated with people who swat imaginary flies, and try to eat their own faces..

Strife, if you really want to try and reach people, one of the things you can do is make a flyer/newsletter, or pamphlet..Make a 2 sided B+W flyer that talks about the Masonic Chip Program, RFID, and related topics, and post links for sites throughout the flyer..I did a flyer last week with one side as Skull and Bones/Bush Kerry, with S&B links, and on the other side of the flyer it is just a collage of websites with great info..I made 1000 of these flyers and am going to put them down and pass them out downtown during the 4th of July celebration..

Don't give up on trying to tell people truth, you never know, 50% of them might understand what you're trying to tell them..

Stu, nowhere in this thread, NOR IN THE RFID THREAD in technology, does it even mention replacing money with chips..Since the Masonic Chip porgram is 100% true, coming from the Boston Globe newspaper, among other prominent newspapers and Masonic websites, your point is moot.
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I'll think about this one prez, but I wouldnt take action now. For the time being this discussion I'll share with a few close openminded people that I know, just not straight to the public yet. I'm looking foward to hear how your efforts go down on the 4th of July, hopefully you'll reach some people who would take this for granted.
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Thanks Strife..I've passed about 100 out so far, but my flyer is on Skull and bones mostly....Let me know if you ever wanna work on a flyer on tagging/Masonic Chipping/RFID together!
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No problem! I guess the only time we'll actually meet each other sometime is when this problem really escalates!
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Do you know how hard it would be to implant chips into people?
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You do know that they're already doing this? There was a family on the news a while back, and they've all got chips implanted.
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Well, if true, thats not good. However, I would like to know the validity of the news source. To implant a chip so a person could be tracked, you would have to really notice it being done I imagine.
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Well, if true, thats not good. However, I would like to know the validity of the news source. To implant a chip so a person could be tracked, you would have to really notice it being done I imagine.
Chips can be implanted, a few senators have them and Alex Jones in one of his documentaries.. i think "911 road to tyranny" showed a family who all got implanted. Dogs and cats get implanted, too. Go check out the verichip website, haha they have a mobile chip van "coming soon to a city near you!" and all that.

Yes people can be implanted, and yes I'm sure they will. Someone look into what DARPA has planned - they've just said they could (and want) to use a brain chip implant... various purposes. It's late and I'm real tired, had a long drive. So I will leave everyone with this for giggles:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

You read it and consider what it's saying
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Just some side info....here in Maine the Free Masons have been running drives around here to get children id'd, fingerprinted....etc......when I was at a local Wal-Mart my wife wanted to get my 1 year old son all taken care of by these guys. I told her hell no and had to explain the whole deal about the Free Masons to her...even made her check some info out too...just a heads up to anyone who's been seeing this too.....

PS....they wern't just at Wal-Mart.they we at the Mall, Target.....Christmas Tree Shop etc.......too bad for all those people stupid enough to get their children done....
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That is so freaky! I haven't really been out and about in stores anyways, I did however go to Ben franklins, the supermarket and the movie place, but didn't see anyone there trying to give my kids the mark of the beast. I will be heading up to the mall sometime next week, I pray to god that I don't come across these people they will get a rude awakening from me, and I'll have to warn my sister-in-law about them, tell her not to do it. She'll listen to me, and maybe think I'm crazy at the same time. Thanks for the heads up.


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I wouldn't go so far as to saying its the mark of the beast. You don't need it to buy, sell, etc...
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Just some side info....here in Maine the Free Masons have been running drives around here to get children id'd, fingerprinted....etc......when I was at a local Wal-Mart my wife wanted to get my 1 year old son all taken care of by these guys. I told her hell no and had to explain the whole deal about the Free Masons to her...even made her check some info out too...just a heads up to anyone who's been seeing this too.....

PS....they wern't just at Wal-Mart.they we at the Mall, Target.....Christmas Tree Shop etc.......too bad for all those people stupid enough to get their children done....

Interesting... hah, masons are doing that huh? I don't doubt it. And to the... female... Ben Franklins? I have one of those in my town, I thought it was only a store in Texas, hmm. What state are you in?

Anyhow, I wish I could see free masons doing that at my walmart haha, that'd be hilarious. I'd end up arrested for being a public nuissance ;) Their plan, is to say too many strays exist, and have most animals chipped. Then when parents see it's safe for the dog, they'll let junior get a chip. I've heard parents say... that they didn't care if it meant 'big brother' tracking their kid, they'd rather let their kid have the chip. Well if you kept an eye on your kid, you wouldn't need to put your kid through some kind of Orwellian nightmare, I say. And after the pets and strays and kids get chipped, who's next? Public officials... police? Many congressmen are taking the chips now.

So many young'uns are into tats and piercings now, what's a chip? Another piece of body jewelry perhaps to them, except this one goes under the skin and 'makes life easier' will be the claim. I can see teenagers readily taking chips.

Now it may not be the mark of the beast, but it is a precursor. Just as we have the self-check out computers now, which I hate... it began with the 10 items or less lane, for convenience right? Now people take 100 items to that lane, hah. Then, we got the self checkout computers. Next, is thumbscanning, and that's already happening at Kroger and HEB stores, no thumbscan? No food. They are doing thumbscans in many schools now - no thumbscan? Junior cant buy lunch at the school cafeteria.

So what comes after thumbscans? Retinal scans? Haha. They say it's all in the name of security. Airport terminals with supposed computers that can 'scan' your brain and tell if you're a terrorist...? Laughable. You cannot trust that, many innocent people flunk a lie detector test because they are nervous as hell. Maybe that Rob the robot from "Lost in space" will be the next step... let Rob the robot give you an anthrax shot as you leave the supermarket

I'm tired, I'm beginning to ramble, but everyone gets the point I believe. Funny thing is, they are indeed implanting people, who volunteer for now, in their right hand. DARPA has an implantable chip for the brain coming that they're working on, hmm. Anyone recall what Revelation said?

Now they're selling 'fake memories' ala Total Recall style. Anyone seen the video of the robots patrolling the streets of 3rd world countries? Video is pretty neat, it's all CG rendered but looks very real, and it's what the UN is pushing for - a robotic non-sleeping army. If someone wants the link, ask me and I will fetch it.
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From the Boston Masonic Chipping Manual
http://www.mychip.org/s-Chip.pdf

Introduction .................................................. .................... 3
CHIP Organization Protocol .............................................. 5
CHIP State Organizing Committee (SOC)
CHIP Area Organizing Committee (AOC)
CHIP Local Organizing Committee (LOC)
Initiation of CHIP Events
General Guidelines
School Based Programs
Community Events
CHIP Operations Protocol.......................................... ..... 11
Local Committee
General Set up and Flow Patterns
Pre-site Inspection
Ordering of Supplies
Additional Supplies
Event Set up
Station Operation
Registration
Toothprints®
Fingerprinting
Videotaping
Monitors/Check Out
Clean up/Breakdown
Close Out
Appendices
Videotaping Suggestions
Suggestion to Interviewers/Questions
Camera Set Up / Operations
Dental Protocol
Equipment Lists
CHIP Event Check List.............................................. ..... 24
Table of Contents
2 CHIP Operations Manual 2003
CHIP Publicity Protocol .................................................. 25
Introduction
Opportunities for Publicity
How to Prepare Effective News Releases
How to Prepare a Public Service Announcement (PSA)
Preparing Broadsides and Flyers
Placing Promotional Materials and Editorial Contact
Follow-up
Sample Copy
News Release
Public Service Announcement
Newspaper Calendar Listing
Appendices .................................................. .................... 35
CHIP Area Chairmen and other CHIP Contacts
CHIP Areas Listed by Town
CHIP Operations Manual 2003 3
Introduction
Masonry has long held a commitment to children and families. A
parent’s worst nightmare is the disappearance of a child. In today’s society
with over one million children being reported missing each year, the
problem cannot be ignored. CHIP is designed to give families a measure
of protection against this ever increasing problem.
CHIP is the most comprehensive child identification currently
available to our communities. Working together, the Massachusetts
Freemasons, The Massachusetts Dental Society, and the Massachusetts
Crime Prevention Officers Association are attempting to make this
program available to every Massachusetts family who wishes to participate.
Through the benevolence of The Grand Lodge of Masons and other
sponsoring organizations this service is brought free of charge to the
participants.
The program consists of three major components: 1) a brief videotaped
interview, 2) fingerprinting, and 3) a dental bite registration. The videotape
is a recovery tool that provides far more individual characteristics and
mannerisms than any still photograph could possibly accomplish.
Fingerprinting is a tried and true method of individual identification. The
dental bite impression (Toothprints®) provides an impression of the biting
surface of teeth that like fingerprints are unique to each individual. In
addition enough saliva is on the bite impression to provide a DNA sample
and a source for scent in canine recovery. Together they provide a most
powerful identification and recovery tool.
CHIP also provides Masons with the opportunity to bring before their
communities by example the principles of their craft. By increasing
awareness of what Masonry means and what Masons do, we promote the
public image of our Fraternity. In this way we strengthen our ability to
grow and provide even more good to our communities and to those whom
we so dearly love, our families. Through our example it is our aim that
others too will become stronger in their desire to make our communities
better places in which to live.
4 CHIP Operations Manual 2003
To be successful, CHIP must be made consistently available throughout
this jurisdiction. All Masons are encouraged to support their lodges and
other community groups in this project. There are many opportunities in
the schools, at community functions, and at specific CHIP oriented events
to make this service available to the communities.

Continued at:http://www.mychip.org/s-Chip.pdf
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Freemasons still pushing 'CHIP' Child ID program


Stoughton Journal | Oct 16 2004

Not many parents want to think about, or worse yet, plan for the possibility of something bad happening to their child. But, unfortunately, child abductions, fires and general disasters do happen and parents should be prepared.

CHIP (Child Identification Program) is the most comprehensive identification plan anywhere, and it is coming to Stoughton this weekend.

The program, provided free of charge, offers parents the opportunity to gather several items that could be essential in identifying a child following an unthinkable occurrence.

Pat Small, Stoughton Public Schools nursing director, attended a juvenile justice summit hosted by the Norfolk County District Attorney's office this summer and learned firsthand the importance of CHIP. She decided to bring it to Stoughton through the schools because she felt it was the best way to reach all parents.

"Hopefully all of this information sits in someone's closet and never is needed," said Small, referring to the identifying items generated through the program. "But if they need it, it will be there for them."

During the CHIP event, which will be held on Saturday, Oct. 16 from 9 a.m. till 3 p.m. at the Gibbons Elementary School, each child is videotaped to capture their appearance, speech, mannerisms and other important characteristics. A dental imprint is taken from each child, which gives both accurate and important information on all children, even those who are losing and gaining teeth. The imprint also gathers very valuable saliva that provides DNA, a state-of-the-art way to positively identify a person. Lastly, the child is fingerprinted - another well- known means of identification.

To get the impression of the teeth, children bite into a little plastic wafer that has been heated enough to mold, but not hot enough to burn, according to local dentist, Dr. Robert Horn.

The impression is put in a plastic bag and given to the parent.

"The prints will change as the child loses teeth and gets more, but the DNA will remain the same," said Horn, who will be volunteering at the event.

"No one wants to think of the terrible things that can happen, but in a case where they do happen, it is important for the parents to have some way to identify the child," said Martin A. Kaplan, another one of several local dentists volunteering time to work at the CHIP event. "This safeguard can provide closure," added Kaplan, who thinks so highly of the identification process that he is now offering dental imprints free of charge to his regular patients.

"I think it is very important for all kids to be protected," said Kaplan.

The event, sponsored by the Stoughton Public Schools, the Massachusetts Freemasons and the Rising Star Lodge in Stoughton, is open to all children in Stoughton 18 years of age or younger. The program is free and all identifying materials from Oct. 16 will be given to parents/guardians for safekeeping. No copies are kept on file, according to Small.

Mike Sammarco, master of the Rising Star Lodge, is helping Small coordinate the event. All of the equipment, including cameras, video tapes, registration forms and materials needed by the dentists, is donated by the Massachusetts Grand Lodge.

"This program provides peace of mind for the parents. Should anything happen to their child, they will have all their records," said Sammarco, noting particularly how important the video is in the case of a missing child. "To have video of the child alone, not from the last birthday party wearing face makeup standing beside a clown, but by themselves showing their mannerisms. It is so important."

Sammarco said it is essential for parents to update the video yearly. He encouraged them to save the tape and bring it to the CHIP event. Volunteers can add the most recent film footage to it.

"When the child is all grown up, they'll get a kick out of watching their video and seeing how they changed from year to year," suggested Sammarco.

The CHIP event is also sponsored by the Massachusetts Dental Society and the Massachusetts Crime Prevention Officers Association.

Hoping that many people take advantage of the program, Small expressed her gratitude to the many volunteers who signed up to make it all possible.

"We are so thankful to the school department for their support and so pleased with all the wonderful people who have agreed to volunteer on a Saturday to do something important for our kids," said Small.

The CHIP event will be held on Saturday, Oct. 16 from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Gibbons Elementary School on Morton Street. Stoughton Police Juvenile officer Allen Curtis and the following local dentists will be volunteering their time: Dr. Seth Roth, Dr. Paul Niosi, Dr. George Mark, Dr. Martin Kaplan, Dr. Robert Horn and Dr. Andrew Croke.
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Secondly when i read the article, it's sad to say but neglect is written all over that article, the parents say he is adventerous I like to say he was not being watched, now parents can be even more lazy and get this device inserted into their kids, so they don't have to watch them.
I completely agree...Sometimes i joke around with my friends about getting those dog collars for the kids that if they go to far it will shock them....hehe....yes it is a lack of parenting and high laziness that causes a majority of kids to vanish...but i have to admit i'm pretty lazy, i have a 5 year old who is all over the place and i myself have lost her a couple times, to be quite honest i dont really even get that scared anymore cuz i know she will be home...

Inserting a chip into a child is an invasion of privacy and if my parents had done that to me i would go crazy trying to find the thing inside me and rip it out....

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