Could N. Berg's execution be fake?

[humanhybrid]

Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true? WHAT DO YOU THINK? reference to PRAVDA.Ru http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/...2790_Berg.html

[MetalMilitia]

Moved to conspiracy theories,

To me it looks like the murder was NOT faked, but I still have unanswered questions about what he was doing in Iraq, unemployed... and why there are so many conflicting stories surrounding the event.

Edit: I am also critical of the TIMING of the release of this video. The US was getting SO much heat from the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandel, it just works out so well in our governments favor.

-MM-

[MetalMilitia]

CIA/ Pentagon Psyops:Nick Berg Killed by Americans
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...contentid=1237

Berg Had Koran, 'Anti-Semitic' Book
Was he a spy? Was he double crossed?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...14/95211.shtml

Was Berg in US Custody? Conflicting stories...
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/me...erg/index.html

FBI investigated man's contacts in Oklahoma
http://www.tulsaworld.com/BreakingNe...040514_Br_berg

-MM-

[Defiant Noquisi]

The first thing I thought was how crappy the video was and how interesting it was that during the "worst" moments, it was severely distorted.

[lotrfan55345]

There is also the same chair leash gal & boyfreind sat in was the same chair Nick Berg sat in the video. Same looks, same color, same dimentions, what a coincidence.

[MetalMilitia]

I think theres something about that in my first link.... but those chairs are used everywhere....

Or are they!?!

Dun Dun Dun (haha)

-MM-

[prezhorusin04]

It's probably also used as a way to justify the American on Iraqi torture, and to refuel hate of the 'insurgence"

Here is an interesting voice from David Icke, though it relates to the american torture stories..

By David Icke


We are watching the daily unfolding of Alice in Wonderland. Hold that thought when you watch the TV news. What is, isn't and what isn't, is.

The violence in Iraq may be bad for America, but it serves the Illuminati perfectly by justifying the continued, and indeed expanded, presence of US troops in the Middle East in line with their long-planned agenda for global control.

In the same way, the global condemnation of the torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners is bad for America, but perfect for the Illuminati that controls the U.S. administrations.

But why?

The United States may be the world superpower today and that's precisely what the Illuminati planned for it to be in the agenda for the centralisation of global control - the planetary Orwellian state of world government, world army, world central bank and a microchipped population under constant survellience.

But while America is being used now as the vehicle to impose this current stage of the fascist agenda it is not meant to continue as the superpower.

In fact, destroying that status and breaking the spirit of America is fundamental in the installation of the Illuminati global dictatorship.

The reason is this: a world government (dictatorship) and a superpower do not go together. The Illuminati dictatorship is meant to be the only superpower and for that to happen the United States must be brought into line.

The greatest block to the world government is national identity and whether we may not agree with America's sense of itself there is no question that it has a deep rooted, almost genetic, sense of indentity and national pride. While that continues there is no way the nation will allow itself to be openly dictated to and controlled by a world central government.

Americans and their country are being used to advance the agenda now, but the plan is, not least through a manipulated conflict with China, to destroy the might of both these 'superpowers' so they come under the authority of the Illuminati world government that would be installed to 'clear up the mess' left by the consequences of the conflicts and conquests now underway.

In other words: Problem-Reaction-Solution.

The plan is to use America and in doing so to break America, economically, politically and militarily. Most importantly it wants to break the American spirit and its sense of identity and self.

So the exposure of the US torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners serves the Illuminati in many ways, two in particular:

(a) It further stimulates outrage in the Arab world about the United States and, as I wrote years ago, the plan is to engineer a Muslim 'Holy War' against the US to 'justify' the use of their fire power to set the Middle East ablaze and take over the region.

(b) It eats away at America's, albiet false, sense of idenity as the John Wayne good guys who sacrifice themselves for freedom and justice across the world. Americans torture people? That can't be right, it's those evil foreigners that do that, isn't it? The 'revelation' that the United States 'support our troops with pride' military could commit such abominations is a massive blow to America's self confidence and sense of national idenity - exactly as planned.

Nothing is what it seems and while we may appear to be seeing the expansion and grotesque expression of American might and power we are actually watching that power and sense of nationhood being systematically destroyed.

Don't miss the LOS ANGELES and NEW YORK events! You do have the power to make a difference!

[MetalMilitia]

One of the better looks at the Berg situation...

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

-MM-

[lotrfan55345]

THats what I thought too, what was he doing in an orange jumpsuit...

[MetalMilitia]

http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm

http://home.att.net/~professorboris/.../Nick_berg.htm

So many questions...................


Then there is the business of the leg......

lies on lies and mysteries, within questions,

tied up in myth and conundrum.........


http://feralnews.com/issues/israeli_...bwod_86-9.html

-MM-

[VegasRonin]

They probably put him in an orange jumpsuite to simulate the Guantanamo detainees. I believe the execution is real.

[humanhybrid]

They probably put him in an orange jumpsuite to simulate the Guantanamo detainees. I believe the execution is real.

Moved to conspiracy theories, just joking ok? Its great that we all have the opportunity here to critically think.

[lotrfan55345]

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id1.html

Video was uploaded from London, England. Not anywhere near the ME.

[lazserus]

You people disgust me. You practically lose your pants when Iraqi soldiers are filmed in the nude but when an American citizen is brutally beheaded you call it fake. Why don't you people just pack your bags and move to Iraq? We'll see how long you live.

Oh, and Berg wasn't an unemployed civilian. According to my intel, he was a contractor for the CIA.

[MetalMilitia]

Moved to conspiracy theories, just joking ok? Its great that we all have the opportunity here to critically think.

For those that don't accept the given story, it has to be moved...

The following is not my work, but an in-depth look at the video from http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...=5&o=21&part=1

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I have just conducted a thorough frame by frame analysis of the Nick Berg footage. I've paid particular attention to the editing.

I've included here a breakdown, shot by shot. I've tried to remain totally objective thoughout, and limit my analysis to the evidence we can see, and others can hopefully corroborate. My apologies for the messy layout.

For the sake of this discussion, I'll name the captors from 1 to 5

John Doe1
John Doe2
John Doe3 (reading the script)
John Doe4
John Doe5

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Video Breakdown
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Shot A video time 13:26:24 to 13:26:27 synced audio
Nick sitting in a chair giving his details

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Shot B video time 02:18:33 to 02:18:43 synced audio
Nick sitting in chair, giving his details, different angle

This is NOT a second angle on the first shot. Nick has clearly moved in between these two shots, as illustrated by the change in his voice tone while reciting his details, and the change in the pattern of folds and clothing position under his harms and on his chest. This clearly shows a careful edit has been made, and we cannot know how long apart these two shots were taken. It also shows that the editor as at least some basic editing skills.

we also hear a door squeek at 2:18:41

we see the reflection of a horizontal light in the top left of screen.

questions :-
Why did they shoot the scene twice?
Was nicks "performance" not up to scratch?
Why did they go to such lengths to make it look like it was shot at the same time?
Did they get him to replicate his hand position is that just coincidence?

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Shot C video time 02:40:33 to 02:44:37 (audio 5-10 seconds ahead (see below))

Nick is definitely alive and conscious though-out this section. He occasionally shrugs, as if he is aware of an impending issue regarding his neck. He sits tense for a moment, then forces has shoulders back down. He does remain very still.

In this shot, the audio is 5-6 seconds in front of the picture. The fact the this audio is out of sync while the first section is IN sync show that the slipped audio is part of the original master, and not due to later encoding/decoding issues of the whole video.

How far out of sync? The person reading the speech coughs audibly at video time 02:42:33. We see him raise his hand at 2:42:38. So the audio appears to be 5 seconds ahead of the picture..

however...
We hear a thump, which sounds like Nick hitting the ground, at 02:44:02, and then we see him hit the ground at 02:44:11. thats 10 seconds ahead, without any visible cut in the video. Therefore an audio edit has taken place, with five seconds of audio removed sometime before the thump.

Also The screaming also doesn't start unit a couple of seconds after the thump. Visually this shot also lasts about 2 seconds after nick hits the ground. As he hits the ground the JohnDoe3 raises his knife, but we do not see him actually cutting with it. We also don't see any panic reaction from him or hear a noise, even taking into account any slippage of the audio.

Some subjective observations.
JohnDoe2 is starting straight at camera. 4 and 5 though look nervous, and don't know what to do with their hands.
JohnDoe4 in particular seems to nervously fiddle with his mask, often just after JohnDoe3 has shuffled his papers, I've had trouble following these paper moves, but they don't seem to coincided with the speech. None of them show the same body languages as other Iraqi kidnappers we've seen?

Questions:
Why leave the audio out of sync when the editor is clearly perfectly competent?
What was the 5 seconds of audio they removed?
Why did the cameraman cut away from this shot just before Nick is actually attacked?
Why didn't Nick react or even make a noise has he was thrown to the ground?

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Shot D video time 13:45:47 to 13:45:52 inconclusive audio

We now zoom in very close. the video is shaky and blurred. It is impossible to tell if nick is alive or dead at this point.

Between shots D and E, we seem to get a period of accelerated time, where the video clock jumps forward to 13:45:59,. However we also see an intermediate frame or two, giving as a glimpse of 13:45:57. this appears to be intended to give continuity while removing around 3 seconds.

questions:

Why zoom in like that? is that the best footage they had (given they were supposed to have 2 cameras)?
Why are we having seconds edited out, and yet returning to the same shot?

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Shot E video time 13:45:59 to 13:46:32

There is a slight jump cut with about half a second missing at 13:46:27, as shown by the video clock and the jump in JohnDoe3's arm position. At the end of this shot we JohnDoe3 lift the knife away slightly and lay the head down, as if he's given up trying to get it off.

Questions:
Why the edit?

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Shot F 13:47:46 13:47:52

Having just jumped about 80 seconds of video time, the head is removed from the body and raised in the air. However it isn't JohnDoe3 who is hold the head and knife, it's JohnDoe2 ! MINUS HIS BOMB VEST!!! (unless it's JohnDoe3 and he's switched masks!!!)

Questions

Why has JohnDoe2 removed his bomb vest????!!!!
Why is he now the the one to hold up the head?
Where as JohnDoe3 gone?
Why would JohnDoe3, as a terrorist leader, humiliate himself in front of thew others by appearing incapable of removing the head?

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Shot G 2:46:18 to 2:46:22

Back to the other camera/different time. another shot of the head being held up.

This appears to have been shot at the same time as Shot F, but for reasons discussed earlier, we can't be sure of this.

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Shot H 13:48:29 to 13:48:49 lots of missed frames here, about 5-10 seconds worth.
END

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Other observations.

it's widely assumed that two cameras were used, because of the difference in the video clocks.

If this is the case, both were set up exactly the same in terms of white point and aperture. Both exhibit the same edge of frame artifacts (dark pixels where the images doesn't make it to the end of the frame) Both may also be of the same model given the similarity of time clocks and image.

The two clocks are roughly 11 hours and 8 minutes apart at the start of the film. The exact difference is impossible to judge since shots A and B were NOT shot at the same moment in time. (see above)

At the end, they are roughly 11 hours and 2 minutes apart, although again it is hard to tell.

the camera with timings around 2:40 appears to be on a tripod at all times.

It is impossible to tell if there were two cameras or not. It seems likely, but we cannot be conclusive one way or the other.

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http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...=5&o=21&part=1

-MM-

[Rusti]

http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret...rldleaders.htm

Go here, a lot of stuff about the Berg conspiracy as well as others.

[Red Shift]

If it is fake which i think it is who faked it? Americans, Iraqs, English or some group who want to start a huge war bigger than it is?

By the way im not pointing fingers!

[MetalMilitia]

It is a sad thing, deeply deeply sad, for a young man to have his head cut off for the sake of someone else's politics. Anyone who could look at these pictures and videos without feeling profound revulsion must have a few cards missing from their deck.

So it takes a certain amount of fortitude to take a really good look at these nasty images to get to the many anomalies in the first place, but that is the task of a detective isn't it? Unfortunately, in today's news environment, every one of us who wish to be responsible citizens must also become a detective.

Because of the prevailing culture of lies, deceit and treachery, everyone of us with an active mind must continually examine and question everything put before us by the mass media. Still, the strain is difficult for a sensitive mind to bear. To every parent, every child, every person who has lost a son, a brother, a daughter a mom or a dad, a grandparent, on any side in the terror wars of the past few years, my heart goes out to you.

It would be nice if we could just point to one person and say "hey, he did it all." But we can't. Yes there are certain persons who have done much to bring about this situation. The international bankers for instance, are greatly to blame. So are their puppets in Washington and Tel Aviv. But the bankers only have money because you and I continue to pay our mortgages and rents every month.

Because we shop at the super stores where they buy and sell, because we own stock in the system.
It would be nice if we could just find the right scapegoat to blame for all this mayhem wouldn't it? If we could pin a list of crimes onto the neck of some hapless village idiot from Texas who has a hard time getting the lid off his beer bottle, and who has been known to choke on a pretzel. And he is greatly at fault for thinking he can tell the players without a program. But in the long run, he is just a patsy too, another dummy with someone pulling his strings, who has never had to do a days honest work in his life, and wouldn't know one if it bit him on the ass.

How many gallons of gas did you put in your car or truck this week my friend? All are guilty. Some more, some less, but the way the war works is that hundreds of thousands of young men and women join up with the army, and then they practice shooting deadly weapons, and they abandon their own better judgments, and then they go and murder people on orders because they have lost all their self possession. And they have all those weapons because some other folks went to college for years to learn how to invent them. And yet more folks worked for decades in arms factories building these infernal machines, even though laws in every state of the union forbid the making of infernal machines. But if some nebulous bunch of criminals get together and call themselves the US Govt. then all of a sudden what is criminal behavior for you or me, is high virtue with holy water on it for them.

This is the same Govt. that holds an indefinite prison term over your heads if you fail to pay into their protection racket kitty. Hello? Yes, they steal the portion of your pay that the landlords (agents, along with the real-estate racketeers, of the Banks.) don't take. If a robber comes up to you and takes your pay from your pocket at gunpoint on the street, you can call a cop. If your landlord decides he wants a new Mercedes, and bumps your rent up again this month, and you live in a town with 0 to 1% vacancies, just you try to call a cop. Hell, when the cops do show up it will just be to evict you. That is part and parcel of what I mean by the evil being spread around fairly everywhere.
So why is everyone so surprised that the Berg beheading tape is so obviously flawed? Joe six-pack, that famous American cartoon character who none the less makes up almost half the electorate, will swallow it whole without even giving it the usual catfish mouthing first. So it works for him you see.

He is going to be enjoying watching this video. It is must see TV, for him it is just an extension of what passes for reality. Jill six-pack right there by his side, voted for Bush in 2000, and loves Jesus and looks forward to the second coming again tonight if you follow me. So for them, what we see as defects, are just the stamp of honest amateurs at work blowing off a little more steam. They don't care who did it, any more than the good citizens of the prairie cared who the Indians were they shot and raped and butchered at the Little Washita back in the late 19th century.

But you and I have a different view of things, because we are more humane in our hopes, and more aware in our fears.

* We see the orange jumpsuit

* We see the yellow Abu Graib prison walls

* We see the government issue white plastic chair

* We see the miss-match between the face and the build of the man in the video and Bergs family's snap shots of their missing son.

* We see the men in black, fat and lazy, well-fed and insolent,

* We see the one on the far left standing at military parade rest.

* We see that this is a tape made with at least two cameras, one on standard time, one on the 24 hour clock.

* We see the light tone of the skin of the hands of some of the men.

* We see the wedding ring on the left hand, the sinister hand, the hand that Islam reserves for toilet functions.
* We notice the voices in the background not sounding like Arabs.

* We have read of the death last year of the man being blamed for doing this foul deed.

Yes, my friends, we are not so foolish as to swallow these lies whole.

* We are aware that once you have someone's voiceprint, you can digitize it, and run it through a voice generating software program, and put any words into their mouths you want.

* We have heard native speakers of Arabic tell us that the voice on the tape does not have the accent they would expect from the man who is being blamed.

* We have read of the weird association of Mr. Berg with those the Govt. has named as being part of the 911 hijack plot. Hijack plot? Hello? Well ,you and I both know that is a whole other can of worms there, isn't it now?

But no one seems to have caught on that all these discrepancies - and more - that are in this video are there for a reason. They want you to know who did it. They, yes that THEY, the same old THEM as always. Bob Dylan said it long ago, "...the executioners face is always well hidden..." But THEY are more than willing to tip their hand to us today, because they don't care if we know, and they want us to know that they don't care. They are as much as telling everyone with a brain in their head, "Hey you with a brain in your head, watch this!" They are really saying "Get out the way you summer patriots, we can do you as easy as we can do this Berg dude!"

Feeling a little chilly around here? Still got the guts to join me in my protests? They can only keep thumbing their noses at ya if you let 'em.

So, if you were disgusted by the this video like I was, but still had the integrity to look into the details of it, then you ought to be bright enough to get the subtext of the intent of those loose ends.


Link: http://rense.com/general53/delib.htm

[Red Shift]

Ok time for a dumb momment here by Red Shift, but who does he mean by they? The America Government?

Also i think we have to do something about this!

If it is fake!

[Defiant Noquisi]

Originally Posted by lazserus

You people disgust me. You practically lose your pants when Iraqi soldiers are filmed in the nude but when an American citizen is brutally beheaded you call it fake. Why don't you people just pack your bags and move to Iraq? We'll see how long you live.

Shall I fill in the rest of my post that I left out purposely? Apparently I have a few cards missing as I was not in the least bit disgusted by it.

Another thought ran through my head...this has been done before, by many more. None are innocent.

It did not disgust me to watch real life in progress. What is disgusting to me is that people are shocked and dismayed by what happens DAILY. WHY should we be anymore upset by this than by your neighbor slitting his spouses throat? Why should we be anymore disgusted by this than a woman getting raped, trying to scream and the perp slitting her throat to silence her? Why should it be anymore upsetting than a jealous ex boy/girl freind taking revenge? Should this be more upsetting than children being abducted, raped or at the very least sexually assaulted then cut up and buried? WHY is it that these victims are barely heard about and its happening right in our own neighborhoods?

What about those two men in CA (what, about 10 years ago?) who were capturing and imprisoning women, forcing them to become sex slaves INCLUDING letting them loose in the woods so that their dogs could hunt them down and VIDEOTAPING the rape and torture! Then they chopped their bodies up into little pieces and scattered the remains.

What happened to Berg is more disgusting, more disturbing, more ENLIGHTENING because NOW, ALLEGEDLY we have someone else besides OURSELVES to blame!

Yeah! See how EASY it is to blame others! Its happening in another country! It doesnt happen in Amerikkka!!

Screw ANY OF YOU and the ships your ancestors came here on if you even think for one millisecond that the Amerikkkan government and any of its military is innocent of bloody atrocities let alone its own people!!!

How easy it is for the citizenry at large to point fingers at a foreign country while conveniently ignoring what happens in their own backyards!

If this country is supposedly a country of higher morals and standards THEN ACT LIKE IT starting with what happens at home!

[lotrfan55345]

Some "non conspiracy" sited that have this topic adressed.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html

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Dutch/German people translate.

http://indymedia.nl/nl/2004/05/18942.shtml

http://www.indymedia.be/news/2004/05/84664.php

[midnightsonblaze]

Originally Posted by Defiant Noquisi

It did not disgust me to watch real life in progress. What is disgusting to me is that people are shocked and dismayed by what happens DAILY. WHY should we be anymore upset by this than by your neighbor slitting his spouses throat? Why should we be anymore disgusted by this than a woman getting raped, trying to scream and the perp slitting her throat to silence her? Why should it be anymore upsetting than a jealous ex boy/girl freind taking revenge? Should this be more upsetting than children being abducted, raped or at the very least sexually assaulted then cut up and buried? WHY is it that these victims are barely heard about and its happening right in our own neighborhoods?

What about those two men in CA (what, about 10 years ago?) who were capturing and imprisoning women, forcing them to become sex slaves INCLUDING letting them loose in the woods so that their dogs could hunt them down and VIDEOTAPING the rape and torture! Then they chopped their bodies up into little pieces and scattered the remains.

What happened to Berg is more disgusting, more disturbing, more ENLIGHTENING because NOW, ALLEGEDLY we have someone else besides OURSELVES to blame!

Totally agree with DN.....this happens every day, in every country, every minute. The only reason it is 'big' in the news is because the War in Iraq...other than that it would be a little side story in the newspaper......

Wanna see....stuff like this does happens every day......watch Banned in America, Faces of Death or even Traces of Death

[Maleko]

Hear hear DN!

[MetalMilitia]

Filmmaker Michael Moore filmed an interview with American Nicholas Berg in the course of producing his documentary film "Fahrenheit 9/11," before Berg was taken hostage and killed in Iraq, Moore confirmed to Salon in a statement Thursday. The 20 minutes of footage does not appear in the final version of "Fahrenheit 911," according to the statement.

Word of the footage reached Salon through a source unaffiliated with Moore, or his film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," which is reported to feature stark images of U.S. civilians and soldiers grappling with conditions in war-torn Iraq, as well as examining the relationship between President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family. It received the Palme d'Or, the Cannes Film Festival's highest honor, on Saturday.

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/200.../index_np.html

Another coincidence? Berg seemed to be getting into a lot of interesting places, more than simple chance would allow for.... don'tcha think?

-MM-

[mickydoolittle]

Originally Posted by Defiant Noquisi

Screw ANY OF YOU and the ships your ancestors came here on if you even think for one millisecond that the Amerikkkan government and any of its military is innocent of bloody atrocities let alone its own people!!!

Well then, I guess I'm getting screwed.

Ahhh, DN . . . what happened to your ancestors was done by some of my ancestors long, long, long ago. Now then, the key word here is: ancestors.

As such, the policies towards the indegenious ppl's of N. AMERICA havve been altered in a major way. Those who perpetratedthe crimes of humanity against your ancestors are dead and gone. Those who would behave that way today would never be alowed to retain such a position after being outed for said behavior.

Yes, AMERICA did indeed have some disgracing moments, but . . . the AMERICA of today is leaps and bounds beyond the AMERICA of then. Leaps and bounds beyond in every imaginable way--especially in the ways that count most: respecting humanity.

You all know I'm right inspite of the actions of a few bad apples who may or may not have done as is being alleged.

Besides, it wasn't the military that commited the actions against your ancestors--it was the cavalry, which was much like the government supported rebel troops of most third world countries (errm, excuse me--Rogue Nations) today.