A Conversation with New Wine

[RhymnRzn]

^tis true tis true, the LORD our God knows the hearts and minds: he will have mercy upon whom he will, and harden whom he will, so that salvation be of none other, and so that none give his glory to some other coming in a backdoor fashion via robbery and false witnessing.

The point about being imperfect always strikes a nerve with me. On one hand it is true, that brothers seem to have some kind of excuse, that their faults and imperfections cannot be blamed, for then they would be expected to go to some extreme measure to keep back from the sins of others, and would then be made to 'stand in the gap', and be made a gazingstock to be glouted upon by every unprepared eye, and every wicked and false tongue. Job said that if he were to be perfect, he would be estranged from his own soul.

The truth is, according to what is in us to obey the Lord, and to be children of obedience, for those of us who make a conscious effort to receive what is written in Scripture (as opposed to gainsaying and denying the Word, or parts thereof with our own versions, judgments, private interpretations, or hypocritical ways), there still remains to be a perfecting of the saints, that we may fulfill "Be ye therefore perfect, for your Father in heaven is perfect." So while this remains to be fulfilled, the house of God, also called by the name of the Son of God, is at utter fault, and is bound to be the location of the beginning of the judgment of God, as it is written; and to all whom God has revealed all things to: so anything short of the grace and doctrine of the early church apostles is also without the body elect, thus indicating unworthiness by reason of unrighteousness, as they prove they are not capable of receiving eternal life presently speaking. But for the obedient, the kingdom of God presently within us, and the presence and gifts of the Holy Ghost, while it is called today, and no thought for the morrow.

Not as though this failure to be perfect should always prevail, however. The latter rain of the Holy Ghost is bound to come to pass, which will occur as Isaiah says, that the LORD will bring to pass his strange work suddenly, and in short fashion; even as the advent of the early rain was shortly brought to pass in the early Church: after that first advent the born-again Christians resumed the familiar form of being "as the wind, which we know not from whence it came, nor whither it goeth". Since that early Church, the winds have been gathered and scattered again, but the latter rain will leave nothing undone in the return of the Messiah in glory, and his signs and gathering of his elect preceding.

Yet, as it is written and defined in the prophecy of Scripture, the time of reconciliation and atonement will come, and the gathering of the saints in this last time, which will be the same established and settled unity of oneness recorded in the New Testament. It is described to be brought to pass prophetically in the last 70 weeks prior to the Great Tribulation, and it WILL be the time of the END of sins and iniquities among the 12 CHRISTIAN tribes of Israel, which are the people of Daniel mentioned in that prophecy, and children of Zion and Holy City of Jerusalem.

So, anytime I hear men showing themselves as Christians trying to lead others into the reputed "Sinners prayer", and teaching men that we are "sinners" "in need of receiving Christ", and that "we are not perfect" I know instantly that at best, they are using the milk of the word for being unskilled in the word, or at worst and more often, they are diminishing ought of the Word of God, and for every reason to be listed for that error, they are getting their names blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life.

[weederbro]

'The point about being imperfect always strikes a nerve with me. On one hand it is true, that brothers seem to have some kind of excuse, that their faults and imperfections cannot be blamed,' (RR)

As I pointed out, you cannot fool Yah.
He knows your real agenda, and trifling with what you know is questionable will stunt spiritual growth for sure.

Do you regard your behaviour and reactions as error free?
Please answer in plain language.

I confess that I am sometimes impatient, and that sometimes I get angry.

Isn't the fact that we have our saviour to stand perfectly in our stead, a statement about our inability to be perfect?

By the way, do you, in day to day conversation, speak to people as you communicate to us in your posts?

[RhymnRzn]

^yeah weederbor, you are right, God knows my agenda, your's, and everybody's. Did you think that we did not comprehend the first time you said it?

I do not regard myself to have apprehended to the perfection which is certainly in the reach of all men. Apostle Peter said that if we suffer, we have ceased from sin, and Jesus taught that the world is reproved of sin on the basis that we believe in whom God has sent, and that belief means that we straightway follow Christ, and bear our crosses, as ready and willing despite the weak flesh: otherwise we cannot be Christ's disciples. I would say this much for myself, that my spot is as the spot of his people (and not beyond), and my iniquities are the iniquities of my heal, and not more. If it were to be anything more than this, I would be meddling with all wisdom.

You asked about Christ's sacrifice being a statement of our imperfection: not by any means. If we are guilty of his body and blood beyond the sprinkling of his blood (which is unto all righteousness and perfection), there would be alot of doctrine and prophecy beset, if that were true that we are bound to be imperfect at all times, hence, unpleasing to the LORD. I do acknowledge that we must grow unto the measure of Christ, and that may require that through many offenses or mistakes we move on to perfection by Christ Jesus, with whom is no variableness or sin.

You ask how I speak to people, but it is all speaking plainly as to babes carnal and not spiritual, as to inform them who have never read for themselves, or as to them who are in need of reminders, or as to them that rejoice and take comfort in the truth. Take your pick. Does that require that I copy and paste the KJV, or insert its specific wording into all my communication? No, but that should be done in willing service to the truth (as it serves well), not because we are slaves to words and syllables.

[Jake99]

Originally Posted by weederbro

Thankyou David,

Matthew 24
Signs of Christ's Return
…and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you.

14"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come

20"But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
21"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
22"Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.


What do you think is contained in the Holy of Holies? (David)

The presence of Yahveh, and the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 25:
22And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 40:
20And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:



Quote:
Originally Posted by weederbro
Hmm, what did Yeshua say about ‘he who breaks the least of these commandments….”
Who did he say could keep these? (David)

Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

LOL! Trick question Huh? 

Well, at first glance one might answer ‘whoever’ LOL
But if anyone could keep them perfectly (all are sinners), one might conclude that we wouldn’t be in need of a redeemer.

It seems as if profiteering, war, waste and destruction has been so ingrained in mankind that you think drawing lines on maps and defending them with soldiers and fences is somehow OK. What part of be efficient, respectful, responsible, intelligent, honorable, free, incorruptible, clean, honest, productive and fair do you not understand?

The Scribes and the Pharisees are no friends of mine and they make a living off my name and my words which they understand and comply with not one bit of.

You cannot get to heaven on Earth without going through Me. I am the only person who even comes close to understanding the Bible, the rest of you are claiming to be like someone who you do not yet know while standing against me with every ounce of energy you have at the same time.

I do not play tricks, I speak of the New World and the mathematical and scientific perfection of it that the Bible attempts to teach you. REPENT applies to everyone, especially the Bible readers and church goers who think they are qualified to teach My Way to others.


The USA employment picture as I see it is 40% war machines and soldiers, 15% bankers and salesman, 10% Postal workers, 10% gamblers, 10% false prophets who all need to be automated out of the system and the 15% meek who do all the work are 20% unemployed.

Waste not want not and learn war no more mean nothing to the Christians.

[weederbro]

It seems as if profiteering, war, waste and destruction has been so ingrained in mankind that you think drawing lines on maps and defending them with soldiers and fences is somehow OK. What part of be efficient, respectful, responsible, intelligent, honorable, free, incorruptible, clean, honest, productive and fair do you not understand? (Jake)

I personally agree with this, and it’s not a case of not understanding these particular points Jake, it’s who you say you are that creates the scepticism.

Mel Gibson’s Passion movie graphically portrays the price Yeshua paid for performing and fulfilling all the requirements Yah willed in Him.
He also fulfilled Messianic prophecies regarding His birth place, His family lineage, and the Messsianic ministry, and has earned His right to our utmost trust.

Then a man comes along, as has happened all through history, saying they are the Messiah coming in their own names.
Yeshua always deflected over- interest in Him beyond a certain point and pointed us to the Father.


He returns after prophetic events take place, possibly in our age ‘with the host of heaven’. An event witnessed, we are told, by the whole world.

I’d never heard of you before I became a member here and I’m sure if you were Yeshua Christ coming back as prophesied, it would have definitely been broadcast (probably pay per view). 


the rest of you are claiming to be like someone…(Jake) ?

I do not play tricks…

But you lie.



The USA employment picture as I see it is 40% war machines and soldiers, 15% bankers and salesman, 10% Postal workers, 10% gamblers, 10% false prophets who all need to be automated out of the system and the 15% meek who do all the work are 20% unemployed.
Waste not want not and learn war no more mean nothing to the Christians.(Jake)


And what is your preferred method of automating people out of the system?
Seems to me that you would be immediately eligible under your own legislation!

[Jake99]

Originally Posted by weederbro

I personally agree with this, and it’s not a case of not understanding these particular points Jake, it’s who you say you are that creates the scepticism.

Mel Gibson’s Passion movie graphically portrays the price Yeshua paid for performing and fulfilling all the requirements Yah willed in Him.
He also fulfilled Messianic prophecies regarding His birth place, His family lineage, and the Messsianic ministry, and has earned His right to our utmost trust.

All of that is true of me and I paid a price that was worse than what Jesus paid. My father is easily the most educated scientist, engineer and alot more, my mother was the beautiful and capable in her youth and my six siblings and I are far and away the most successsful and capable people on the planet. At least 300 prophecies have I fulfilled and all of them were done during wars with the US government or demonstrations of true leadership and success while managing and controlling the largest, fastest and most efficient bakeries in the USA. I was born a mile high in Aurora, Co on the edge of the Rocky mountains. The temple of God is everywhere and so is God's Holy land, all people are God's special people who are created equal but are not the same. By way of my stripes and deeds I have more than earned the utmost trust of mankind. I was crucified, did die and my blood was shed, and I have come back to life having not really left this Earth. Do you have any idea how many hundred times I have put my life on the line while standing alone in my objection to the American way? If you understand the Bible as I do then you cannot endorse the corrupt governing and free market operating system of this world. You see I am the only person in the USA and probably anywhere else that has always stood against the system because in my opinion all of mankind are allowing satan and the anti Christ's the ability to wreck and destroy their way across the planet in search of profits instead of solutions.

Then a man comes along, as has happened all through history, saying they are the Messiah coming in their own names.
Yeshua always deflected over- interest in Him beyond a certain point and pointed us to the Father.

Did you actually think the name of the man with the plan that saves everyone and everything would be named Jesus? The Father is not going to help until we are following instructions and have built the world that he approves of. I do not need the assistence of God the father to turn this polanet into heaven on Earth. He is the creator and I am the restorer who perfectly understands the operating system that leads to God the father and heaven on Earth.


He returns after prophetic events take place, possibly in our age ‘with the host of heaven’. An event witnessed, we are told, by the whole world.

I’d never heard of you before I became a member here and I’m sure if you were Yeshua Christ coming back as prophesied, it would have definitely been broadcast (probably pay per view). 


the rest of you are claiming to be like someone…(Jake) ?

I do not play tricks…

But you lie.

I do not lie which was proven through my integrity as a manger who was closely monitored by the union and the numerous fortune 100 and other respected companies I represented and managed perfectly for decades.

My teams in several places consistently outperformed all others in the company within legal, contractural and highly regulated and monitored performances, standards and regulations. I lost zero of those complex technical, engineering, operational, safety, personell, quality, customer service, sales etc wars as well as 40 personal court appearances related to my patriotic and Bible related defiance and dissent. No one has worked harder or smarter to demonstrate operational solutions and prove an identity of being the Christ than I have. What are the odds that a man could perform over 300 prophecies when the odds of performing just 8 prophecies are 1 in 10,000,000,000? Those odds are beyond comprehension and in some ways I am beyond comprehension because I think so differently than the rest of you do. Once you wake up and actually see the path that the Bible is recommending you wont be able to endorse the ways of this world in any way. I a the man who God drove around doing strange and unusual things within because I understand the message and advice of the Bible that none of you understand or comply with. I want everyone to comply with the fundamentals of the system and the man that the Bible says you are to have faith in. I know how to fix everything quickly so that we never need to run a charity event again and everyone gets treated as I would be treated if I do what they do.



And what is your preferred method of automating people out of the system?
Seems to me that you would be immediately eligible under your own legislation!

My preferred method of job elimination is the same as it is at work where I submit a plan that reduces manpower or material usage without sacrificing quality and then based on science and the new technology or new verses the old you choose the more efficient and effective choice. A new rule is that no profits are involved and all transactions are transparent, as direct as possible and incoruptible. I want to know and approve of what all materials, land and labor are used for so that scientifically we attempt to always make the best choices.

My labor will be free and available 24/7/365, as a volunteer I will accept standard benefits only. The soon to be retirees (Baby boomers) will train the next generation on the technical aspects of authorized jobs before they retire. The bank and corporate skyscrapers that are worthy of keeping can be converted into assisted and all inclusive efficient living centers so we can get rid of the ineficient homes that are taking up too much land space. Elevated railways replacing interstate highways would dramically improve service and transportation needs no matter what happens on the ground.

[weederbro]

Jake, your humanistic plans are laudible and a fair man couldn't find much to disagree with but your posts don't really fit in Christian Corner.
Possibly Politics or Philosophy and Ethics?
Cheers!

[Jake99]

Originally Posted by weederbro

Jake, your humanistic plans are laudible and a fair man couldn't find much to disagree with but your posts don't really fit in Christian Corner.
Possibly Politics or Philosophy and Ethics?
Cheers!

Does the Bible demand that you listen to the man with the plan and the wake known as and claiming to be the Messiah or to the liars, cheaters, thieves, money-changers, false prophets and sellers who taught the Bible to you? Those people who the Bible stands against are the main-stream who preach doing what they believe in rather than what they are supposed to stand against. If you are a capitalist endorsing profiteering then you are an arch enemy of God and Christ.

All must choose who's side they are on because if you think stocking shelves and window shopping at Walmart are OK then you are on the fast track to Hell as the Bible says you are.

Jesus Christ was talking about politics, humanistic plans, philosophy and ethics all of which I have spoken the same way about.

Practice what you preach is all I ask of you, are you willing to repent and do that or not?

Were you not told that Christ was coming again to snatch you away from Satan?

[hellmanager]

Well, I don't know why it was created and don't care. All I know is that I am glad it was created; otherwise, we would be forced to work on Sundays too. Now, we can afford to wake up late, laze in front of that TV, and so on thanks to this day.

[weederbro]

‘All of that is true of me and I paid a price that was worse than what Jesus paid’ (Jake).

Shame on you.

’Were you not told that Christ was coming again to snatch you away from Satan?’(Jake)

He already came and ascended, sent the Comforter (Spirit) all according to the prophecies, and will return at the end of all things.

You can tell Him then that your sacrifice was greater than His.

This thread is discussing The 7th Day Sabbath.
Go and spam somewhere else.

[weederbro]

Hello hellmanager!
Enjoy it while you can.
In a plausible future scenario, 7th Day Sabbath will not be recognised as a legitimate holy day and Sunday observance will be written into law as it has recently happened in Europe.
Your job security will depend on you complying.