The Coming Holy War

[acacia]

This is NOT a religious debate.

Religion has always shaped politics. In the Middle Ages religion made the laws and government enforced them by judgement and punishment.

Even today, religion propels politics; the right wing and the left wing are on the same bird.

Religious institutions hold more wealth than governments. They own hospitals, real estate, colleges, universities, private schools, and have their hands in most every commercial venture through their stock portfolios.

He who controls the wealth rules the world.

Research polls show that over the past several years, many people who followed the traditions of various religions have left the churches. They have lost a greater number than ever before and new converts are few. This poses a danger to the structure of our society; churches are beginning to loose both their wealth and control of the masses.

Many of these drop-outs have started to ask real questions for the first time. They are realizing that their religions are based on mysticism and superstition. They have been lied to and duped.

The accessibility of information through the internet has had a lot to do with the re-education of these mesmerized crowds.

Now, these people face a greater danger.

You Know the Secret; Now We Must Kill You

I believe there is a plan in place to try to stop the awakening of the masses. In order for the religious element to hold on to the few they still have they need to silence the dissidents and the educators.

From the pulpit, the battle cry has begun.


The wolves in sheep's clothing are preparing the sheep to accept the slaughter of all those who have not been corralled in the pen.
They say:

We have been given the Great Commission: "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of...."

We have. The word of the gospel has now reached every nation throughout the world. The heathens and the pagans have had the chance to "hear the word." They have not conformed. Time is up!


Here is an excerpt from a very creepy and foretelling sermon:

"The lOrd will rise up as he did at Mount Perazim; he will rouse himself as in the Valley of Gibeon to do his work---his strange work---and perform his task, his alien task. Now stop your mocking or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the Lord Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land. (Isaiah 28:21)

Sometimes God does a strange work with his own people---a work of destruction, not of salvation.

He does this when his people act strangely toward him, acting not as his children, but as his enemies.

This is especially true of people who have been born and brought up in the church.

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The use of the word strange means that this is not a work god delights in doing. Ezekiel 18:32 tells us "For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the soverign lord. Repent and live!"

But when his own people mock him, God must punish them.

In the book of Lamentations, Jeremiah speaks about this judgement of god on his own people. It is a work so strange that it makes ones blood curdle.

This excerpt was copied from a church sermon. It seems to be a threat to the defectors. And why not? Because they are afraid of these people who can influence the others. Never mind that there are many published sources of information to find truth; they fear that personal relationships are more influential. They do not want defectors spilling the beans and enlightening others to their tricks.


There is a plan in place to silence the educators. The sheep must be kept dumb. Religions are now seeing a great threat to their finances and power. The great depopulation plan will take place soon.

There is no sky daddy directing this. It is a body of evil psychopaths who have manipulated this plan for a long time. It will soon come to fruition.

This has nothing to do with any local preachers; many are deluded themselves. Many ministers are unaware that they themselves, are being used to accomplish this.

[Traveler]

You have not grasped the situation completely, but you have identified some of the problem.

On other threads I did point out that a civil war was coming to the church and that God was going to break down many of the false ministries because judgment always starts at the house of God first before progressing to the nations themselves.

That quote from Isaiah is taken out of context, it is talking about Jesus coming the first time and undermining the control of the Pharisees by establishing the new covenant so as to bring their deceptions to an end. In the same section of that scripture it even talks about the 30 pieces of silver that he would be valued at for his betrayal by Judas.

What you have not grasped is that the falling away that is taking place now is not the falling away from the faith in Christ, it is in fact the falling away from organized religions that the people have recognized as a scam. This is what I meant when I told you that the real church will be found in the streets where it will operate without the traditional organizational coverings.

The flock will start to delve into the word for themselves and start to practice in a manner similar to what was found in the book of Acts. Any hope of government oversight over the church through its structured organization will now be effectively lost. The out of church Christian movement is now going to start to come into its own.

What you are witnessing is the restructuring of the body of Christ for the tribulation period that is already starting to take shape. But you will choose not to see it!

[James Random]

Fairy Tales. Meanwhile, in the real world. Someone just got murdered.

[calliope]

The word of the gospel has now reached every nation throughout the world. The heathens and the pagans have had the chance to "hear the word." They have not conformed. Time is up!

I agree with you....the threats are all over this board even. In real life, I encounter christians who gloat at the misfortune of others, not of their own particular brand of dogma. Who take such pleasure in saying that it was God's will, and let this be a warning to others. These people are some of the meanest, spiteful and vindictive types I've ever seen. They want people to suffer miserably, who don't conform to their will.

[acacia]

Just a reminder for all:
this thread is not a religious debate.
Please keep on topic.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss how religious movements are shaping and directing current political movements.


One thing I find to be more apparent over the past few months is that it is basically the religious fanatics that are screaming about the FEMA camp stuff, the 'quarrantine and kill', the anti-Obama movement, police brutality, and all the other stuff to get people excited or scared. If you check the background of these people that are putting forth all the outrageous propaganda, you will begin to see that their platform promotes fundie dogma. (Maybe some of you will name names ...i.e. "saint" brigetta, et al.)

Does the possibility exist that there are secret camps of detention? or a disease pandemic? or great depression and food rationing?

Those things have happened before and there is always the possibility.

Even moreso now because there is an agenda.

It seems to me that many of these bible scriptures are not prophecy, but rather a well written synopsis of a plan. Perhaps it has all been scripted and these writings handed down through the ages are just a brief guideline.

It appears to me that there is an agenda from the religious corner to incite people to rise up against the government.

Just like the news this past week of the preacher screaming police brutality. Always look deeper than the surface. There is usually fraud or some party-serving agenda.

Many of these things are staged because there are organized societies involved. These societies are the upline of the churches. At the very top of the food chain you will find the psychopaths who direct all of this. This is something that has been in existence for a very long time and is layer upon layer. It's roots go deep.

If the fundie wing is successful in inciting people to rebel, then we can probably look for demonstrations that get out of hand, protests, etc. etc.
Once that starts, look for you local law enforcement to be replaced by privatized army.

Once that happens, those who have been targeted for "disposal" as enemies of the churches...the dissidents, the atheists, etc. will be quietly picked up by surprise. Very quickly, very quietly. When there is enough chaos going on, these missing people will go unnoticed. You won't hear news; it will be suppressed. There will be too many other things going on.

This operation will work best when there is a chaotic environment to distract the majority of people.

To me, it is becoming very clear that there is a bombarding attempt to manipulate the masses into a frenzy.

The scriptures say it will be 'like a woman in labor'...and right now...they are waiting for the water to break.

When the voices of the failing economy and contempt of government get loud enough...the dark missions will start.

[ryangti]

Do you have the gut feeling something in the end will have to give?

This maybe nothing at all
KEVIN Rudd is set to announce Australia's biggest military build-up since World War II, led by a multi-billion-dollar investment in maritime defence, including 100 new F-35 fighters, a doubling of the submarine fleet, and powerful new surface warships.

Are they expecting something we dont know about?
It will only be when all other western countries decide to do the same in the same time.
It points more to china but i see other problems arise other than Asia itself.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...16-421,00.html

[acacia]

Originally Posted by ryangti

It will only be when all other western countries decide to do the same in the same time.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...16-421,00.html

Not sure what you mean by "all other western countries"(?).

I see this religious-political climate as something that will have severe repercussions is USA and UK. These two nations have always been founded on the premise of control by religious authority.

When King James had a power struggle with the church, he solved the issue by revising the bible to promote the "divine right" of Kings.

The bible has been used as a political tool to control the masses.

In our generation it has surpassed that function; it is now used as a weapon.

[Mezurashi]

one of the best hopes for the future from where I stand is that the 'Combative Religionists' will focus upon the Heretics instead of the Infidels.

history shows us that times of Religious War tend to ease things for the civilian populations away from the war itself - so many of the raging, foam at the mouth types go off to convert heathens that the iron-clad dogmatic oppression dies down 'back home' while the rabid are gone - of course it totally sucks to be caught in the war zone during such times.

but maybe this will once again occur - groups of psychotic religionists focusing on Each Other instead of the Great Unwashed as the first target of action. after all, how can one hope to convert the masses to a single ideaology if there is a competing church nearby?

thereby we, the non-combatants in this struggle for pseudo-supremacy, can sit back with our popcorn and umbrellas and watch the unravelling of the belief systems as they all come face to face with their worst inner demons.

the political fallout will be impossible to predict as it is impossible to predict how many of the 'devout' will actually choose to commit themselves to a life of violence and committing atrocities in order to glorify the Name of their version of God.

and the irony of church-goers burning down each other's churches is not lost on me, but I have a morbid sense of humour ...

[acacia]

Originally Posted by Mezurashi

one of the best hopes for the future from where I stand is that the 'Combative Religionists' will focus upon the Heretics instead of the Infidels.

history shows us that times of Religious War tend to ease things for the civilian populations away from the war itself - so many of the raging, foam at the mouth types go off to convert heathens that the iron-clad dogmatic oppression dies down 'back home' while the rabid are gone - of course it totally sucks to be caught in the war zone during such times.

but maybe this will once again occur - groups of psychotic religionists focusing on Each Other instead of the Great Unwashed as the first target of action. after all, how can one hope to convert the masses to a single ideaology if there is a competing church nearby?

thereby we, the non-combatants in this struggle for pseudo-supremacy, can sit back with our popcorn and umbrellas and watch the unravelling of the belief systems as they all come face to face with their worst inner demons.

the political fallout will be impossible to predict as it is impossible to predict how many of the 'devout' will actually choose to commit themselves to a life of violence and committing atrocities in order to glorify the Name of their version of God.

and the irony of church-goers burning down each other's churches is not lost on me, but I have a morbid sense of humour ...

Awesome scenerio, Mezurashi!!!

So if the major denominations all turn on each other confrontationally they may attempt to annhiliate the other religions in a power struggle fighting about who is "really" right? Who has been given the exclusive "Truth"? And fighting over who God belongs to?

Hahaha. I like it!

But is this a plausible scenerio? I think the controllers are trying to avoid just that by this "tip toe totaliarianism" technique of bringing all religions into a guideline of unity. I think the unity of the one world faith is an effort to stop your scenerio from happening.

Already we have countries banning the use of wearing religious items in public...at school and on the job.

We are beginning to see measures taken where religious icons cannot be displayed on gov. owned properties...such as the Ten commandment ban at the federal courthouse.

Xmas scenes are being limited to church properties and private individuals. If a public corporation, school, organization displays a Xmas tree, they are now obligated by public outrage to also diplay some Jewish Haunakka item, something else for Kwanza, etc. etc. ad nauseum. (Please don't throw rocks if I have left out someone's religion here.)

Next thing you know, the front entrance is so cluttered with this dime store holiday paraphenalia...that next year they will give up displaying anything! Too many groups calling for equal time for their hoilidays, too!

So, another subtle political movement by screaming "equal rights" and forcing recognition of all other religions represented in the area.

Mer...do you think these manuevers will be successful to bring religious unity? Or will it come to a head where people refuse the compromise and finally go ballistic?

[acacia]

Actually, the above scenerio also shows an implication of a forced "political correctness".

Could it be that the political element will go head to head with religion in a power struggle?

Could it be that so much fraud has been exposed in religion that there must be a "regrouping" of the ideals?

Will religious diversity go belly up, being the cause of its own demise?

Is religion itself behind the reshaping movement in order to have a one world unified faith based on the similarities instead of the differences in order to bring in a more facist agenda?

[Assassin X]

lol. It doesn't matter how much you want to protect yourselves from us. Go head, make the world safe from religion. But in the end god wins. He will destroy all. We win, you lose. Thats why I don't bother caring when people complaining in topics like this. Because people don't understand what god does and doesn't do....only what he WILL do. And thats all that matters.

[James Random]

Originally Posted by Assassin X

But in the end god wins. He will destroy all. We win, you lose. Thats why I don't bother caring when people complaining in topics like this.

So what the fuck are you doing posting here? Retard.

Meantime, in the real world. Someone just got raped.

[Mezurashi]

Originally Posted by acacia

Actually, the above scenerio also shows an implication of a forced "political correctness".

Could it be that the political element will go head to head with religion in a power struggle?

Could it be that so much fraud has been exposed in religion that there must be a "regrouping" of the ideals?

Will religious diversity go belly up, being the cause of its own demise?

Is religion itself behind the reshaping movement in order to have a one world unified faith based on the similarities instead of the differences in order to bring in a more facist agenda?

the problem with the examples you gave in your post previous to this one was that you were talking about the USA, parts of Europe and maybe a little bit in Japan and South Korea. but that's all.

there are still active and powerful Theocracies running - Iran comes to mind.

the 'unification' of religion into one world Belief is what will cause the War Of The Ideaological Cousins - as each side tries to exert more influence not only to 'preserve' its traditions but to also gain a larger power base there will be friction and eventually conflict.

Gov't or political involvement in religion varies all over the world, from supposedly 'non-religious' places like North Korea and China to Iran (once more) where the Religion IS the Gov't.

I suppose what we're seeing now is the struggle between Theocratic Fascism and Pseudo-Democratic Fascism. but for my money, if I had to choose, I'd go with whichever version creates the best Illusion of Freedom.

because that's how I've lived my life - I am not one of those who is under the delusion that anyone is truly free anywhere in the world. there's always some obligation, to someone, some place, some thought, some feeling ...

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Assassin X

lol. It doesn't matter how much you want to protect yourselves from us. Go head, make the world safe from religion. But in the end god wins. He will destroy all. We win, you lose. Thats why I don't bother caring when people complaining in topics like this. Because people don't understand what god does and doesn't do....only what he WILL do. And thats all that matters.

LOL!

An earthquake kills a bunch of people - "hey look, that's God winning!"

A new disease wipes out millions of people - "See, that's God killing the fags/Muslims/commies/whatever."

A plane goes down killing 350 people - "God is punishing us for letting fags marry. That's God winning."

An intelligent man of color wins an election - "Look, it's a sign of the end times! God's about to reveal his plan!"

It's the same bullshit over and over with these types. In the end, if there is a god, I'm almost certain that he couldn't give two shits about what happens on this backwater world. I'm sure he's too busy doing other things with his time, like figuring out how to redesign intelligence so that creatures that possess it actually use it. Or better yet, maybe he's just too busy being an incorporeal hedonist, doing whatever it is that incorporeal hedonists do.

But yes, I agree with the premise of this thread. Religion is, more than anything else, a scam that allows mortal men to control other mortal men. Speaking of which, here's the perfect example of a religious movement that just fell flat on its face because it accidentally exposed the fact that it was actually interested in power, not living in accordance with religion: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30381375/

[medicvet]

Thank you Singularity. I am sick to death of people preachin hate in the name of God.

If I was God, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and leave me out of that shit.

[James Random]

Originally Posted by medicvet

Thank you Singularity. I am sick to death of people preachin hate in the name of God.

If I was God, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and leave me out of that shit.

And what message lies at the heart of the Christian Ministry? When you strip away all the sugar talk ad blabalbalbalbaashabbabalbalbalbalablab?

Convert or Die.

Let's face it. What's so great about a God who has to exterminate thousands of people in the End Times just to get doubters to believe him? Killing people is wrong - the same should apply to God.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by medicvet

Thank you Singularity. I am sick to death of people preachin hate in the name of God.

If I was God, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and leave me out of that shit.

I’m really getting tired of how you have twisted things here. The deception is so obvious that it is a wonder anybody would fall for it except for the delusional spirit that has risen at this time.

Well lets look at what is really happening here!

Evil starts to rise in this world and people start to do horrible things to each other. Then the people call out and ask why God does not do something to prevent this if he exists?

Well what is God to do, what action does he take?

Simple, first he speaks out using the traditional methods where his words are passed on through those who have been endowed with the gift of prophecy as laid out in the scriptures. This is why we now have a deluge of prophecies numbering in the thousands since 1980, warning the people to repent of what they are doing or God will himself take action to force it to come to an end.

These prophecies are ridiculed and consigned to the level of the ravings of nut jobs and a reply is given that there is no God anyway so it must all be nonsense. So naturally there will be no repentance of the evils being done.

So next come the warnings, because warnings are always given before the full judgments against evils happen. Now God is the God of creation, he operates through nature. The natural laws of nature are his tools! Or do you think he goes riding around is spaceships or something?

As the rise in evil is on a global scale the warnings are given on a global scale. Weather changes in such a way that no one seems to know if we are having global warming or global cooling, but the weather is agreed to be more extreme. We have droughts and famines and floods and tornadoes and hurricanes and earthquakes all getting progressively worse and worse in an effort to get the people to take note and repent so as to take stock of the evils that they are doing.

So what happens, the more the people of God try to warn the general populations and point out what is happening the more the world decides that they want to get rid of Gods people because they are not blessing them in their sins but pointing them out and convicting them of it. The Lords workers are called hateful and hypocritical and unloving etc. The world then tries to push these workers away and rather than listen to the warnings they remove God as far from them as they can. Take all items of God out of the governing structures and public places and institutions of learning and then force the church to embrace the worlds sins so as to destroy it from within. Whole denominations are started up that twist the gospels so as to create a false religion that confuses the servants of the Lord and causes them to stumble in their callings. It has risen to the point where it has become a full on onslaught against Christ and his body of faithful. Every scheme to get rid of them is now being planned.

So of course there is no form of repentance but instead a militant response to drive God away and silence his servants. So now there is obviously going to be the full judgments falling which is going to have devastating consequences.

Now what you have not understood is that God wants to bring the evil to an end and get things running on a righteous track again. He wants the murders and rapes and stealing and corruption to end and for the population to start caring for each other and doing good things. But you guys have not identified who it is that is doing the evil, It is you, the general populations of the worlds countries. You guys are the ones that are doing the murders and stealing and corruption and rapes and the rebellion against even God himself.

God has to get you guys to stop this shit if he is going to get the evil out of this world with the result that it is going to be you guys that are going to be the ones that get hammered by these judgments that are coming on this earth. You are not the good guys, you are in fact the bad guys and what is happening and going to happen is not the results of cycles or chance or just plain bad luck. It is the result of the supernatural and as such it can end in a hurry if you guys will just stop the shit you are collectively doing and pay attention to the call for repentance.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by James Random

And what message lies at the heart of the Christian Ministry? When you strip away all the sugar talk ad blabalbalbalbaashabbabalbalbalbalablab?

Convert or Die.

Let's face it. What's so great about a God who has to exterminate thousands of people in the End Times just to get doubters to believe him? Killing people is wrong - the same should apply to God.

No that is pure B/S .

The real message is that this world is in a fallen state and the whole caboodle is destined for destruction as it has been corrupted totally. Evil cannot be allowed to continue forever.

The word salvation basically means rescue in modern terminology. It was an act of compassion for the terrible situation that we have been caught up in that motivated God to make a plan to rescue us from the coming destruction that has to come.

[olddragon]

The word salvation basically means rescue in modern terminology.

[acacia]

Originally Posted by Singularity

LOL!

An earthquake kills a bunch of people - "hey look, that's God winning!"

A new disease wipes out millions of people - "See, that's God killing the fags/Muslims/commies/whatever."

A plane goes down killing 350 people - "God is punishing us for letting fags marry. That's God winning."

Thank you for your contribution, Singularity.
Maybe if some people read your words twice it may help it to sink in.

Acacia

[shortround]

We know what type of tree it is by its fruit, so its a simple matter of sorting out a person who professes a faith. And frankly in today's world its a small minority who have applied the passive teachings that most religions have laid down as prime.

Millions claim to adhere to peaceful faith, but few practice its precepts, and in the end a religion simply becomes mans interpretation of God, and the result is human will being published as divine.

If our history is repetitive, then the fruit of all this reveals what we really want...and its as far from God as anything could get.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Traveler

I’m really getting tired of how you have twisted things here. The deception is so obvious that it is a wonder anybody would fall for it except for the delusional spirit that has risen at this time.

The only ones practicing deception here are the ones trying to enforce their morality upon others in the name of religion. I'm looking right at you here Traveler.

Well lets look at what is really happening here!

Evil starts to rise in this world and people start to do horrible things to each other. Then the people call out and ask why God does not do something to prevent this if he exists?

Evil has always existed in this world. It's nothing new and inventing a religion based on a super hero who can heal people and walk on water won't make this change.

Well what is God to do, what action does he take?

Simple, first he speaks out using the traditional methods where his words are passed on through those who have been endowed with the gift of prophecy as laid out in the scriptures. This is why we now have a deluge of prophecies numbering in the thousands since 1980, warning the people to repent of what they are doing or God will himself take action to force it to come to an end.

You mean that THE supreme being would reveal truth in small bite size bits in the form of puzzles and riddles to people that no one would take seriously thereby rendering his message entirely ineffective. Wow. Effective.

These prophecies are ridiculed and consigned to the level of the ravings of nut jobs and a reply is given that there is no God anyway so it must all be nonsense. So naturally there will be no repentance of the evils being done.

Right, make the "path to salvation" so obscure that no rational person will get it. Again, how utterly effective.

So next come the warnings, because warnings are always given before the full judgments against evils happen. Now God is the God of creation, he operates through nature. The natural laws of nature are his tools! Or do you think he goes riding around is spaceships or something?

As the rise in evil is on a global scale the warnings are given on a global scale. Weather changes in such a way that no one seems to know if we are having global warming or global cooling, but the weather is agreed to be more extreme. We have droughts and famines and floods and tornadoes and hurricanes and earthquakes all getting progressively worse and worse in an effort to get the people to take note and repent so as to take stock of the evils that they are doing.

Right "warnings" AKA "natural phenomenon." See my assessment above. The truth is that bad shit happens because people get in the way of nature, not because some all powerful being is conspiring against them.

So what happens, the more the people of God try to warn the general populations and point out what is happening the more the world decides that they want to get rid of Gods people because they are not blessing them in their sins but pointing them out and convicting them of it. The Lords workers are called hateful and hypocritical and unloving etc. The world then tries to push these workers away and rather than listen to the warnings they remove God as far from them as they can. Take all items of God out of the governing structures and public places and institutions of learning and then force the church to embrace the worlds sins so as to destroy it from within. Whole denominations are started up that twist the gospels so as to create a false religion that confuses the servants of the Lord and causes them to stumble in their callings. It has risen to the point where it has become a full on onslaught against Christ and his body of faithful. Every scheme to get rid of them is now being planned.

No, the "people of God" try to frighten others into joining the world's largest death cult. Again, this is all about control and it's the biggest snow job the world has ever seen.

So of course there is no form of repentance but instead a militant response to drive God away and silence his servants. So now there is obviously going to be the full judgments falling which is going to have devastating consequences.

Repentance to a fictional character is not needed. What is needed is for the "faithful" to get the cobwebs out of their heads and realize that the only ones calling the shots around here are us humans. We can either work towards a better world ourselves or we can surrender it to people who use religion to control others and persecute groups they don't like.

Now what you have not understood is that God wants to bring the evil to an end and get things running on a righteous track again. He wants the murders and rapes and stealing and corruption to end and for the population to start caring for each other and doing good things. But you guys have not identified who it is that is doing the evil, It is you, the general populations of the worlds countries. You guys are the ones that are doing the murders and stealing and corruption and rapes and the rebellion against even God himself.

Yeah, he wants all this as long as you don't happen to be gay because God wants all fags to die! God also doesn't want people to live their lives in ways that make them happy, or understand science, or teach the real way that humans came about. God wants us to live happily in the middle ages. I think Roger Waters summed it up best when he said, "What God wants, God Gets. God help us all."

God has to get you guys to stop this shit if he is going to get the evil out of this world with the result that it is going to be you guys that are going to be the ones that get hammered by these judgments that are coming on this earth. You are not the good guys, you are in fact the bad guys and what is happening and going to happen is not the results of cycles or chance or just plain bad luck. It is the result of the supernatural and as such it can end in a hurry if you guys will just stop the shit you are collectively doing and pay attention to the call for repentance.

Dude, there will always be evil in the world. You can't change human nature. If God was so concerned about it, why would he have made the most powerful species (note that I didn't say most intelligent species, because I'm still not convinced of that) on the planet so prone to it. Oh right, free will. God gives us free will so that we can choose to accept or reject him, yet he intends to come back here with a vengeance and forcibly take that very thing away from us. Uh huh, right.

I hate to break this to you man, but if God is what you say he is, he's a fucking asshole and not derserving of worship!

[calliope]

Evil starts to rise in this world and people start to do horrible things to each other.

Evil starts in the name of some teachings that man has reinterpreted to fit his own design. Designed to institutionalize control and subversion through hate, in the name of their god. The good that has come from christianity has come due to Christ's teachings subverting the agenda of religions. People who claim to know the mind of God are liars. There's been more hating, raping, killing and stealing done in God's name than anything else. People claiming that God will kill everyone else only because their belief systems differ, are terrorists -- because they instigate the hatred and destruction that they then proclaim as the wrath of God. It is the work of man, nothing more. For the purpose of control and an agenda set by man, not God. Those who try to coerce humans through fear...of God....are nothing more than control freaks attempting to manipulate the world according to their own biases and prejudices.

[Goldmoon]

Evil starts in the name of some teachings that man has reinterpreted to fit his own design. Designed to institutionalize control and subversion through hate, in the name of their god. The good that has come from christianity has come due to Christ's teachings subverting the agenda of religions. People who claim to know the mind of God are liars. There's been more hating, raping, killing and stealing done in God's name than anything else. People claiming that God will kill everyone else only because their belief systems differ, are terrorists -- because they instigate the hatred and destruction that they then proclaim as the wrath of God. It is the work of man, nothing more. For the purpose of control and an agenda set by man, not God. Those who try to coerce humans through fear...of God....are nothing more than control freaks attempting to manipulate the world according to their own biases and prejudices.

Good that you brought this up, the evil is occurring now, when the majority falls AWAY from God. Such sick things are being done, if you read the news, its horrible.

Jesus didn't mention the tribulation for nothing. Its all true, read "Matthew 24" (Jesus' desciples ask Him, what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world.)

When you (everyone worldwide) begin to see all these things come to pass, know that it is near, even at the door.

2 Timothy 3 is also a must read, regarding the nature of mankind in these times, its good to reflect on.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Goldmoon

Good that you brought this up, the evil is occurring now, when the majority falls AWAY from God. Such sick things are being done, if you read the news, its horrible.

Jesus didn't mention the tribulation for nothing. Its all true, read "Matthew 24" (Jesus' desciples ask Him, what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the world.)

When you (everyone worldwide) begin to see all these things come to pass, know that it is near, even at the door.

2 Timothy 3 is also a must read, regarding the nature of mankind in these times, its good to reflect on.

Aside from the fact that there are a hell of a lot more of us on this planet than have previously existed in the history of mankind (an unsustainable number that will need to self correct), the news we're getting today is no different than the news you would have gotten at any other times. Throughout human history there has been war, disease, droughts, and other natural disasters. The four horsemen of the apocalypse have always been with us - long before the misinterpreted one was nailed to a cross for pissing off the Jews. The only thing new going on is that there are simply too many of us. I suspect that global warming will bring our population back into balance - after all, if the green belts turn to desert, food production will decrease and the countries that rely on the food we produce will starve. But you know, climate change and mass starvation dates back to the ancient times as well. It's one of the natural processes that we can count on to happen periodically on Earth.