Nostradamus - 2012 - Armageddon - End of the World Scenarios - Natural Disasters

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 5th, 2006, 8:02 PM

On the 20th anniversary of the Challenger disaster, have you ever asked yourself the question, why did the vehicle failure have to correspond with the 1st teacher in space, Christa McAuliffe?

I've thought about this for a long time, and have decided that there may be a hidden message in this curious event. Firstly, Ms. McAuliffe was scheduled to teach several lessons from space to school children on earth, during the mission. Second, [the weather] which caused the solid fuel rocket boosters to explode was highly unusual for Florida. In other words, an underlying natural event caused the explosion.

I believe the underlying meaning of this event may have been:

1st Teacher in space = Lesson from God

What are your thoughts on the curious conjuction of events?

*Kataklysm* · Feb 5th, 2006, 9:04 PM

"...The failure of the solid rocket booster O-rings to seat properly allowed hot combustion gases to leak from the side of the booster and burn through the external fuel tank. The failure of the O-ring was attributed to several factors, including faulty design of the solid rocket boosters, insufficient low-temperature testing of the O-ring material and the joints that the O-ring sealed, and lack of proper communication between different levels of NASA management."

http://ethics.tamu.edu/ethics/shuttle/shuttle1.htm

That just about sums it up. God didn't smite the Challenger with his/her cold weather wrath, people just failed to do their jobs.

And, keeping my beliefs separate just to be purely hypothetical, let us assume there to be a god with his/her unquestionable commandments defining right and wrong. Let us also assume that, for some unknown reason, having a teacher broadcast lessons from space is against all of this god's moral implications. Let us once more assume that this god actively interferes (for better or for worse) with our lives. Does it not seem absolutely ludicrous this god would prioritize the punishing of teaching in space over something like, say, murder, rape, theft, etc...?

I think you are simply trying to find a connection where there is nothing but coincidence. If god did in fact act out to teach us lessons I think that bringing down the Challenger would be pretty low on the list.

Freakshow · Feb 5th, 2006, 9:20 PM

I have to agree with Kataklysm on this. I don't see how destroying the challenger spreads any message from God unless its "don't go into space" which doesn't make much sense to me. You have to expect these sort of things to happen, especially with something as complex as space travel.

*Marajadex* · Feb 5th, 2006, 9:23 PM

If it was any kind of message from God...
It was a message to be more carefull.

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 5th, 2006, 11:31 PM

Let my signature be my reply.

**lycanox** · Feb 6th, 2006, 1:47 AM

The columbia had the first israeli astronaut on board. so does this means we have to be on the lookout for allah then?

shuttle disasters are dangerous things. a midair explosion from an returning ship could easily shotgun an city. this is what I am worried about.

PsychicKid · Feb 6th, 2006, 7:43 AM

I'm a strong Christian, but I think you're just spouting off random nonsense. You don't even provide a reason as to why God would do that, just that it's a "lesson".

Like I've always said, the Earth is not 6,000 years old, Chuck Norris didn't shoot Kennedy, and God didn't destroy the Challenger.

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 6th, 2006, 1:36 PM

I'm just trying to see who here has thought about things, outside of their pretty little heads.

Havoc Angel · Feb 6th, 2006, 1:48 PM

I defninitly prefer to use what is inside my head when thinking about things, not something that is outside.....

If you look just hard enough (and ignore as many actual facts as you possibly can) then you are able to interpret *anything* into *anything*.

Of course this wil only change your perception of reality, not reality itself. The truck won't disapper and not run over you just because you close your eyes very tight and think yourself to some pretty and save place...

I think that is one of the more common difference between religious *beliefers* and scientists: The first believe they know it all, the latter know that they know barely anything at all and keep searching....

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 6th, 2006, 3:12 PM

"Then they said, 'Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.' And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the sons of men had built. And the LORD said, 'Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.' (Genesis 11)

What do you propose was the "thing" God didn't want the ancients to do? For if mankind had remained one language, what would have occurred sooner in history? What was so important to God, that He was willing to sacrifice all the wars that would later be caused by the confusion of speech? Why put limits on mankind, at all?

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 6th, 2006, 5:37 PM

The "Wright" brothers was really a pun, from the evil one?

Freakshow · Feb 6th, 2006, 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor Witness

The "Wright" brothers was a pun bigger than you can imagine.

I...dont get it.

*Marajadex* · Feb 6th, 2006, 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freakshow

I...dont get it.

Neither do I...

PsychicKid · Feb 7th, 2006, 7:38 AM

Okay now you're making absolutely no sense. You make baseless claims that God, a kind and loving supreme being, murdered the teacher and other astronauts to prove a "lesson" to us. God doesn't murder people. People murder people, and stupid negligence and accidents kill people. You also still havn't told us what this so called "lesson" is.

And now you're spouting off completely unrelated Bible quotes, then referencing the Wright Brothers which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Pass me whatever you're smoking.

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 7th, 2006, 11:58 AM

It is no coincidence that the age of manned flight will also mark the end of the age, for how else could they accomplish the counterfeit miracle of making fire come down from heaven, in full view of men?

What do you think a counterfeit miracle is, or did you think the aliens would do it?

If you're deceived, then couldn't the opposite of what you believed be true? History has come full circle, and the new "King of Babylon" has once again suggested that we may walk among the fiery stones without penalty. Of course he had to lie to capture ancient Babel, to fulfill prophecy.

How can the Giver of Life ever murder?

*Marajadex* · Feb 7th, 2006, 4:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gensis 11:6

And the LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

This appears to be the crux of the issue. God scattering the tribes of Noah and confusing the languages seems to be the point of this chapter. To create challenge. To allow mankind to develope the desire to overcome the obstacles before them and triumph in their accomplishmens.

This story is covered in only 9 verses. here they are...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genisis 11:1-9

1: Now the whole earth had one language and few words.
2: And as men migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
3: And they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly." And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
4: Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."
5: And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the sons of men had built.
6: And the LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
7: Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
8: So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
9: Therefore its name was called Ba'bel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

PsychicKid · Feb 7th, 2006, 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor Witness

It is no coincidence that the age of manned flight will also mark the end of the age, for how else could they accomplish the counterfeit miracle of making fire come down from heaven, in full view of men?

What do you think a counterfeit miracle is, or did you think the aliens would do it?

If you're deceived, then couldn't the opposite of what you believed be true? History has come full circle, and the new "King of Babylon" has once again suggested that we may walk among the fiery stones without penalty. Of course he had to lie to capture ancient Babel, to fulfill prophecy.

How can the Giver of Life ever murder?

What in the hell are you talking about? "Counterfeit miracle of fire?"

Start making some damn sense.

*Raptor Witness* · Feb 7th, 2006, 5:40 PM

Psychic,

You're an "apostle," but I'll give you a hint. It's something the false prophet does. The Christian world is waiting for him to appear, but I tell you, he is already here. Dropping the atomic bomb in full view of men, fulfilled the prophecy.

Maraja,

This is a sentence passed on mankind, similar to the Garden of Eden story. Your argument isn't the argument of the "Us" in the story. The goal was to humble, not to reward.

*Marajadex* · Feb 7th, 2006, 8:16 PM

Well now... that is the wonder of the Bible. It is open to interpretation.
My interpretation of this parable is that God was placing an obstacle in front of man to create the desire to grow and learn. To place a greater "Challenge" in front of his creation to watch it evolve.

But hey... to each his own.

BTW... The parable of the Exile from the Garden of Eden was a result of direct defiance to God. The Parable of the Tower of Babel is not.