Bushco plans "assault" on birth control

[Nu Kua]

Bushco is developing a regulation that would define abortion as "any of the various procedures -- including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action -- that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation," as reported by the NY Times.
This can include birth-control pills, emergency contraception, and the IUD.

The draft proposal would require all recipients of aid from Health and Human Services to assure they will not refuse to hire health care workers who object to abortion and certain types of birth control- this means all clinics, researchers, medical schools and hospital programs that are administered by the HHS would have to certify that they would not discriminate against people who object to abortion or contraception.

If this regulation passes, it will be a giant several steps backwards for reproductive rights.
Hence why I chose to add the tag "American Taliban" to the tag lines.

Maybe we should begin shopping for burkas, to avoid the rush?

[proffett]

OMG, I would be a criminal? LOL, I am NOT removing my IUD. Fuck Bush.
This pisses me off. If it passes I'm moving. What happened to our freedoms? Stay the hell out of my uterus! Wow.

*Deep Breath*. Ok. I am trying to respond with a limited amount of inflamitory remarks. I apologize if it doesn't happen.

First of all what right does the government have to make laws about our reproductive freedoms. I am neither pro-choice or pro-life I am pro humanity making their own decisions about their lives. The government needs to step back and stop all of this hand holding. People need the ability to decide for themselves what they feel is ethical and moral. Humans are born with values and principles and the government is systematically destroying the natural ability of humanity to choose for itself what is right and what is wrong.

Every single law that limits a persons ability to choose for themselves makes them more dependent on the system that makes those laws. We should be able to (to some extent) govern ourselves. Whether it comes to reproduction, drugs, alcohol and yeah, I said it in the fast food thread, what to eat.

The government is getting way to involved in our PERSONAL lives. It needs to end. A line needs to be drawn somewhere. Our government really needs to focus on things like the economy, military, and our other interests. Let the masses make their own personal decisions.

Did I mention how pissed off I am about this???!!!

**Edit**

Originally Posted by Nu Kua

This can include birth-control pills, emergency contraception, and the IUD.

Ok so what is left are barrier options that are less than effective, sterilization, or absinance?? Of course we could just keep on having babies adding to the growing population problem, not to mention sending responsible families into debt.

*High five Washington!!*

[Nu Kua]

Originally Posted by Ystrdaiproffet

OMG, I would be a criminal? LOL, I am NOT removing my IUD. Fuck Bush.

As I understand it, what this means is, this will make it much easier to deny a woman information and access to any form of birth control the provider is uncomfortable with, for whatever reasons, whether "moral" or whatever. It extends the current gag order on mentioning abortion as an alternative to an unwanted pregnancy, to " including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action -- that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation"


That could mean your IUD if you need a replacement in the future, and your care provider feels it is a morally unjust to use an IUD because it prevents a successful implantation of a fertilized egg in your womb, he or she could refuse to provide you with one- and not only that- would not be required to mention the IUD as a birth control device.

And also, this makes it easier for care providers, gynecologists, researchers, ect, to promote a personal moral or religious agenda on women against their will and reproductive rights.

[medicvet]

So one of the things they want to do away with is the 'morning after' pill that helps make sure a rape victim doesn't end up pregnant from her assault?!!?!?

That is just so much pure unadulterated bullshit!!!

[krakatoa]

I hope that when Bush and Co are gone after the election, that everything will fall back to normal, i mean Democraticly normal.

Krakatoa.

[proffett]

Originally Posted by Nu Kua

And also, this makes it easier for care providers, gynecologists, researchers, ect, to promote a personal moral or religious agenda on women against their will and reproductive rights.

That's possibly what I have the biggest problem with. I consider myself educated but what about some of those young, lost and confused girls out there who know nothing about contraception. I feel like this is akin to lying to them, lie by ommision rather. Maybe they cannot look toward their family for advice and help. Medical professionals should NOT push their own ethical or religious agendas onto these impressionable girls.

[phedrereine]

This regulation does seem to be targeting younger mothers. From conception? This is quite the proposition, then. I can't tell you how many girls I knew in high school who used the morning after pill.

Not to sound cruel, or Scrooge-ish, but the world is grossly overpopulated as it is. So is the government trying to force vulnerable mothers who don't want their kids, and will probably not have the motivation to learn how to raise them properly anyway, to add to the degenerates in this society? It's a statistical fact that babies born to too-young, unprepared mothers often don't grow up as well as those who have time to, oh, I don't know, grow up... and plan for the baby.

Silly me, what am I doing spouting things like sense and statistics? As if that has any bearing on the Republican Party. Here I was thinking we might be moving to the more liberal side of this issue. Thank you, Bush, for bringing me back down to earth with your efforts in trying to make America more conservative and set apart from most of the other democratic countries of this world.

I wonder how McCain will choose to respond to this. Pish.

[Nu Kua]

Many of these same people supporting this are anti abortion activists, which is paradoxical when you consider that birth control helps prevent unwanted pregnancy.
They say that is the life of the child they are considering, but turn around again and you will find many of these same people wanting to cut all kinds of benefits to single parents and their children.
This will result in more unwanted children, and more trapped young people who will find it much harder to get an education and carry on with life. A well of hopelessness, dug deeper.
(Not to mention, resulting in more abortions, and no matter what side of that story you would be on, it is hard to deal with)

This to me is the result of a hidden Theocracy in our country, because none of this has anything to do with preserving the quality of life for anybody, it is all about trying to force people to follow the same religious teachings you do.
I tie this in with religion because the most active and powerful lobbyists for these questionable efforts are groups such as Focus on the Family who directly relate their work to their religion.
But the real focus here should be on what is happening to the freedom of choice and accessibility to birth control and information about it.
A knowledge of herbal remedies is helpful in times like these that seem to be approaching.
Many women who were persecuted as "witches" were actually midwives and village herbalists.

[JenaS62]

Originally Posted by Nu Kua

Bushco is developing a regulation that would define abortion as "any of the various procedures -- including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action -- that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation," as reported by the NY Times.
This can include birth-control pills, emergency contraception, and the IUD.

The draft proposal would require all recipients of aid from Health and Human Services to assure they will not refuse to hire health care workers who object to abortion and certain types of birth control- this means all clinics, researchers, medical schools and hospital programs that are administered by the HHS would have to certify that they would not discriminate against people who object to abortion or contraception.

If this regulation passes, it will be a giant several steps backwards for reproductive rights.
Hence why I chose to add the tag "American Taliban" to the tag lines.

Maybe we should begin shopping for burkas, to avoid the rush?

This is unbelievable. There is a universe of difference between birth control (including the morning after pill) and abortion. You're right NK - what's next? Where does it end?

What sizes do burkas come in? Are they one size fits all?

[Abyssal_Worm]

Once we go to war over our national debt, Mother Amerika will need all of us to reproduce like rabbits. Mother Amerika will need as many soldiers as possible and birth control will only stand in the way...

[/sarcasm]

Didn't this fight already happen forty years ago? It is as though the sexual revolution is going backwards now. No pun intended...

[phedrereine]

Abyssal, you're right. It seems like we're going one step forward, two steps back.

This better not pass. If it's true about a hidden theocracy... then perhaps we should all kneel down and pray? Dear God, please do not allow the human race to regress at the hands of your most loyal followers. Because let's face it, they're not the cream of the crop. Amen. Would that appease Focus on the Family?

Maybe we should pray to not get pregnant. Maybe that's what they expect us to do. Why, oh why God did you curse me with this uterus? Please close off my wanton vagina, please.

Oh, I know what they really want us to say: Please, God, make me pregnant everytime I have sex and don't ever allow me to be educated. My brain was meant for nothing but diapers and domineering husbands. And tuna casserole.

[proffett]

You know there is a hidden agenda in this country and it is disgusting. It's modern day witch hunting. It's an effort to keep the masses uneducated and in debt. It goes much deeper than reproductive rights, but this is a good starting point.

Everything has been said here, hidden theocracy, uneducated young mothers, unwanted children. If you add all this with the rising gas prices, the cost of food and a lack of good jobs available, not to metion the preditory lending and the housing market decline well, you have a recipe for disaster. Maybe disaster is what they want....

[JenaS62]

Originally Posted by ystrdaiproffett

You know there is a hidden agenda in this country and it is disgusting. It's modern day witch hunting. It's an effort to keep the masses uneducated and in debt. It goes much deeper than reproductive rights, but this is a good starting point.

Everything has been said here, hidden theocracy, uneducated young mothers, unwanted children. If you add all this with the rising gas prices, the cost of food and a lack of good jobs available, not to metion the preditory lending and the housing market decline well, you have a recipe for disaster. Maybe disaster is what they want....

Yep! I totally believe that a disaster is EXACTLY what they want. It's a way to further the NAU agenda and bring out our savior the "Amero".

[medicvet]

I would really recommend everyone concerned about what the future holds in a future society where sex is only for procreation, and those who can have babies are becoming a rarer and rarer breed, so they are 'farmed out' to different sterile couples so they can have babies..that's just the beginning of it tho...it has a lot to do with some of the hypocrisy that is going on today. The name of the book is "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood I believe. Anyway, this is a MUST READ book, and to me personally, ranks right up there with 1984, Animal Farm, and Brave New World.