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Old Mar 18th, 2008, 5:07 PM   #1
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"ITS TIME TO LET MY CHILDREN HEAR MY WORDS IT'S TIME TO TOUCH THE HEARTS OF MANY NOT ALL WILL LISTEN NOT ALL WILL HEAR BUT FOR THOSE WHO LISTEN AND THOSE WHO HEAR GOD'S WORD WILL SPREAD AND GOD'S CHILDREN WILL COME BRING MY CHILDREN HOME TO ME TO BUILD A KINGDOM OF LOVE AND SERENITY."
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To The US CARDINALS, BISHOPS and US SYNAGOGUES:

RE: The First Three of The Seven Sequence of Events - The Jewish and The Catholics Faith United In Prayer


1) When you see a NIGHT ILLUMINATED by an UNKNOWN LIGHT, know that this is the great sign given to you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father." Our Lady Of Fatima

2) The Great Earthquake in Three Continents Simultaneously - Africa and Two Other Continents

3) The Warning - Catholics and The Rapture - Non-Catholics

Revelation
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1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman 2 clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
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She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. 3
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Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, 4 with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.
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Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.
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She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
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The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. 6
The Desert Prepared by God is Axum, Ethiopia, The Resting Place of The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel. This is the continuation when The Voices of Heaven (Apparitions) ceases throughout The World. All will begin.

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The Resting Place of The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel - The True Presence and SEAT OF GOD ALMIGHTY

- The Ark guarded by one man of True Faith and Purity of Hear, venerated by the Falashas like that of the Old... THE CALL BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL OF YESTERDAY IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE CALL OF TODAY - THE FINAL EXODUS OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL to Axum, Ethiopia WILL SOON BEGIN !

Revelation
Chapter 11


1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff and I was told, "Come and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who are worshiping in it.
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But exclude the outer court 2 of the temple; do not measure it, for it has been handed over to the Gentiles, who will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
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I will commission my two witnesses 3 to prophesy for those twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth."
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These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands 4 that stand before the Lord of the earth.

1) The First Earthquake (Africa) - The Catholic Church to announce to God's Chosen Peoples of Israel to come in faith and the love of God to Axum, Ethiopia.

2) The Second Earthquake (Africa) - Prepare the way for the God of Israel come down from Heaven,

3) The Third Earthquake - The Great Earthquake in Three Continents Simultaneously - (Africa and Two Other Continents, Part of The Seven Sequence of Events ).


THE POWER OF THE ARK BROUGHT DOWN THE WALLS OF JERICHO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE POWER OF THE ARK OF YESTERDAY of TODAY ACCORDING TO JEWISH BELIEFS ONE MUST HAVE THE FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD WITHIN THE HEARTS SOUL AND MIND or PERISH IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ARK.

1) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ! VIOLATES THE FIRST COMMANDMENT - THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME

2) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! STOP VENERATING THE WAILING WALL MADE OF STONE BY HUMAN HANDS - FOR I AM A JEALOUS GOD

3) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! VENERATE THE ONE TRUE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF ISEAEL - THE TRUE PRESENCE OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

4) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! PREPARE THE WAY FOR THE GOD OF ISRAEL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!

5) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! COME IN FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD WITHIN YOUR HEARTS SOUL AND MIND TO AXUM, ETHIOPIA

6) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! ITS TIME TO BUILD THE THIRD TEMPLE OF THE TRUE FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD- in OUR HEARTS SOULAND MINDS

7) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! I AM WHO I AM WILL SOON BE AMONGST YOU !


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Ok that is not discusion it is copy and pasting.

Give a line on who you are as in denomination, I presume you are Catholic.

Then take it item by item and give the people an explanation. Others will take a look at the scriptures in context and discuss it.
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Hi Traveller and Readers of the Forum:

Please accept my humble apologies if I have violated forum rules, I meant no disrespect in any way shape or form. Please kindly see ny reply below in bold. Thank you.


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Ok that is not discusion it is copy and pasting.

Give a line on who you are as in denomination, I presume you are Catholic.
- Yes I am baptized Catholic


Then take it item by item and give the people an explanation. Others will take a look at the scriptures in context and discuss it.
- If I may answer your question with a question, maybe this way, we'll know where to begin. For example, How do I know? I know this maybe a loaded question to ask, but if you ask other than that, I feel you will come to understand. Maybe... :)

I'm sure you will find the answer to your own question by pondering the words I have orignally written. Think of it as a puzzle that needs to put together with patience in understanding.
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Hi Traveller and Readers of the Forum:

Please accept my humble apologies if I have violated forum rules, I meant no disrespect in any way shape or form. Please kindly see ny reply below in bold. Thank you.
It's not a big deal except that this site has recently been slapped on the wrist for plagiarism, and also it makes for very dry conversation when one just throws a smack down of copied information expecting everyone to read it without personal commentary of what you want to discuss.

It would be like me copying and pasting in a block of text off canned food ingredients expecting you to make sense of what you are asking us to make of it.
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I think there seems to be a misunderstanding here. You wrote "plagiarism." and "cut and paste." Again, please forgive me, but this is a copy of the letter I myself conveyed to The US Cardinal, Bishops, The synagogues. This is is not "a word per word copy" it is my writings.

I hope you and your Readers of the forum would ask questions, like what The Ark signify to today? Why now and not yesterday? Was The Ark destroyed or burried within The Holy of Holies...Did Ron Wyatt actually found the Ark in ISrael? etc...

Thank you for your kind undertanding

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It's not a big deal except that this site has recently been slapped on the wrist for plagiarism, and also it makes for very dry conversation when one just throws a smack down of copied information expecting everyone to read it without personal commentary of what you want to discuss.

It would be like me copying and pasting in a block of text off canned food ingredients expecting you to make sense of what you are asking us to make of it.
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I love this analogy...I was lol...and it makes sense.... ;)

It would be like me copying and pasting in a block of text off canned food ingredients expecting you to make sense of what you are asking us to make of it.[/QUOTE]
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I love this analogy...I was lol...and it makes sense.... ;)

It would be like me copying and pasting in a block of text off canned food ingredients expecting you to make sense of what you are asking us to make of it.
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LOL. No harm, no foul. It just looked like something you copied and slapped on us is all.
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Hello Joseph and thank-you for your post,

I have a question in response to your post in regards to the Ark, have you been to Gilgal?
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Hello Joseph and thank-you for your post,

I have a question in response to your post in regards to the Ark, have you been to Gilgal?
You again? You vanished for about a year.
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Hi Gods and Readers,

Thanks for your question...LOL...If I have never heard of the word...and unsure of the pronounciation....most likely I have not been there...lol....but on a serious note....I have not...as I have never been outside of the US since I enetered in 1967. Why? What have you heard or know?

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I have a question in response to your post in regards to the Ark, have you been to Gilgal?
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Thanks for your question...LOL...If I have never heard of the word...and unsure of the pronounciation....most likely I have not been there...lol....but on a serious note....I have not...as I have never been outside of the US since I enetered in 1967. Why? What have you heard or know?
When Joshua lead the Israelites into the promised land, after crossing the river Jordan; the first place that he lead the people was to Gilgal. This is the place were twelve stones from the river were used to create an altar and it was at this place that the people were circumcised in preparation for the work to be done at Jericho.

My question is not asking if you have physically been to Gilgal but more have you been prepared for battle in the spiritual sense, has your heart been circumcised?
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Hey Stabby -
Thanks for remembering me. yeah, Ishow up here and ther every so often... lol :)
Hope all is well for you...
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Hey David -

Unfortunately, I don't have the detail knowledge of The Ark from yesterday to present day. What I do know is the significance of The Ark today for all of mankind, focusing on the Three great religions on earth, Christinaity, Judaism and Muslims.

An archaeologist by the name of Graham Hancock written a book entitled "Sign and The Seal: The Ark of The Covenant." He too believes the Ark rests in Axum, Ethiopia.


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Hello Joseph and thank-you for your reply,

When Joshua lead the Israelites into the promised land, after crossing the river Jordan; the first place that he lead the people was to Gilgal. This is the place were twelve stones from the river were used to create an altar and it was at this place that the people were circumcised in preparation for the work to be done at Jericho.

My question is not asking if you have physically been to Gilgal but more have you been prepared for battle in the spiritual sense, has your heart been circumcised?
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Hello Joseph and thank-you for your sincerity,

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Unfortunately, I don't have the detail knowledge of The Ark from yesterday to present day. What I do know is the significance of The Ark today for all of mankind, focusing on the Three great religions on earth, Christinaity, Judaism and Muslims.

An archaeologist by the name of Graham Hancock written a book entitled "Sign and The Seal: The Ark of The Covenant." He too believes the Ark rests in Axum, Ethiopia.
This is new to me, please share that which you understand.
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Hi David and Readers:

If you don't mind, please allow me to divert your minds to the below. Thank you.
Again, these are my writings and yes it was cut and paste from the letter I sent... :) Thank you.


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In The Old testament The Ark on earth rests in Axum, Ethiopia, The True Presence of God The Father Almighty amongst His Peoples of Israel

In The New Testament The Ark is The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje

After The Old and The New Ark unite, a new sacrifice shall be offered. It is not the kind of sacrifice of the old (animals), but The Sacrifice in celebrating The Holy Eucharistic Mass of The Holy Roman Catholic Faith in the Presence in veneration The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel. The Presence of The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity on earth as it is in Heaven. I feel and believe there is a connection to The Lord's Prayer "Thy Will Be Done On Earth As it Is In Heaven."

The Abomination of Desolation:
The phrase “abomination of desolation” refers to Matthew 24:15: “So when you see standing in the holy place ”the abomination that causes desolation,” spoken of through the prophet Daniel - let the reader understand.” This Scripture is referring to Daniel 9:27, “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘’seven.

In 167 B.C. a Greek ruler by the name of Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the “abomination of desolation.”

It will be the Anti-Christ himself that will cause the "Abomination that causes Desolation" from within the Temple of Israel.

“The Holy Eucharist is the True Presence of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The Holy and Eucharistic Sacrifice is the Sacrifice to be. All other sacrifices not of The Holy Roman Catholic Faith will be considered null and void. An act of BLASPHEMY before God The Father Almighty!”


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It was always God's intention that he dwell personally with you...not in some box or building.

Christs blood being shed ,has rent the veil that seperates us from the holy of holies.( Garden of Eden)
No need for God to reside in things physical, as redemption hath been wrought, and God takes up residence in you...close and personal
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Hi Jeff -

I totally agree with you without a doubt, but to the People of Israel "the box" signify The Presence of God amongst them.

I think if you you use the word SEAT rather RESIDE will maybe make a difference. For example, every Denomination has a leader. And a leader usually has a SEAT within the church/Temple. It's the same with The Ark (SEAT). The SEAT of GOD on earth as it is in Heaven. Look at the earth as the Church/Temple.


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It was always God's intention that he dwell personally with you...not in some box or building.

Christs blood being shed ,has rent the veil that seperates us from the holy of holies.( Garden of Eden)
No need for God to reside in things physical, as redemption hath been wrought, and God takes up residence in you...close and personal
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I totally agree with you without a doubt, but to the People of Israel "the box" signify The Presence of God amongst them.
Yes, but didnt the prophets Israel and Judah speak of a way that was much more personel.
That God had in mind a much better way?

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I think if you you use the word SEAT rather RESIDE will maybe make a difference. For example, every Denomination has a leader. And a leader usually has a SEAT within the church/Temple. It's the same with The Ark (SEAT). The SEAT of GOD on earth as it is in Heaven. Look at the earth as the Church/Temple.
I think of the garden of eden, where God dwelt with Adam and Eve, and walked with them in that garden in the cool breeze. Why did God suddenly have to put himself in a confined space ,made of brick or Gold?

To cut a long story short, death cut us off from the garden,
We were cut off from the tree of life until death was dealt with..and nullified...lest we eat of the tree of life and live forever..in a state of death...................How many people in history have addressed this issue and overcome death?
So God puts himself in a temple, the power in the ark, until the time when God could fill everything again..and death would play no part in things Eternal.
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Good Day Joseph and thank-you for sharing,

It is wonderful to see someone with your knowledge, depth and understanding.

I am looking forward to the opportunity to examine all these things with you and my dear friend Jeff.

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In The Old testament The Ark on earth rests in Axum, Ethiopia, The True Presence of God The Father Almighty amongst His Peoples of Israel

In The New Testament The Ark is The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje
I am going to have to do a little research on what you are speaking of here in order to present any thoughts of my own as to the specifics of this matter.

One thing that I can say is that what you and Jeff are talking about are different forms of the same thing. That is to say that God is made manifest by both inward and outward signs. For the outer world He creates a physical tangible edifice that represents His working authority and for those that step behind the veil into the Holy of Holies there is a inner representation. Daniel and Jeremiah understood this and represented it in their writings, showing that since the light was no longer contained within the inner temple and the Body of Moses, the people of Israel; had become desolate then the outer temple had to be destroyed to show the people that they should be lamenting because of their desolation and subsequent disfavor with God.

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After The Old and The New Ark unite, a new sacrifice shall be offered. It is not the kind of sacrifice of the old (animals), but The Sacrifice in celebrating The Holy Eucharistic Mass of The Holy Roman Catholic Faith in the Presence in veneration The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel. The Presence of The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity on earth as it is in Heaven. I feel and believe there is a connection to The Lord's Prayer "Thy Will Be Done On Earth As it Is In Heaven."
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The Abomination of Desolation:
The phrase “abomination of desolation” refers to Matthew 24:15: “So when you see standing in the holy place ”the abomination that causes desolation,” spoken of through the prophet Daniel - let the reader understand.” This Scripture is referring to Daniel 9:27, “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘’seven.

In 167 B.C. a Greek ruler by the name of Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the “abomination of desolation.”

It will be the Anti-Christ himself that will cause the "Abomination that causes Desolation" from within the Temple of Israel.
This is a wonderful outward example and I would encourage you to dig deeper to see what Daniel has to say about the desolation of his people and the abomination that caused it. Specifically Chapter 9 and the whole of Lamentations.

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“The Holy Eucharist is the True Presence of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The Holy and Eucharistic Sacrifice is the Sacrifice to be. All other sacrifices not of The Holy Roman Catholic Faith will be considered null and void. An act of BLASPHEMY before God The Father Almighty!”
The Holy Eucharist is a very deep and meaningful event and is a continuation of the Feast of Unleaven Bread instituted by Moses. It is of paramount proportions to having a obedient relationship to our Lord and Creator. The question that we all must ask is are we obedient to what this represents?

Abraham was given the covenant of circumcision, which brings us back to Gilgal; to be circumcised was an outward sign of an inner conditioning, a heart condition. There are many that were circumcised but were taken into captivity because they lacked the inner conditioning that was required by God.

The question thus comes down which is more important, the Holy Eucharist as an outward sign or the inner conditioning that is reqquired by it?
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Hello David and Readers:

I don't quite know how to write this delicately, but I guess, there seems to be no other way.

I can not thank you enough for reading what I have written weather you believe or not. Which brings me to write the following.

If I am unable to answer your question(s) to what I have written, it is only because it is a statement of facts, based on Faith and The Love of God within my heart soul and mind. All will be accomplished By The Power of The Holy Spirit The Third Person of The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity through The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje, The New Ark of The Covenant of Israel and of Humanity. The Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces, and Advocate.

I know and understand, many will doubt, disagree and/or even call me unkind names. I guess I'm willing to accept wholeheartedly whatever comes my way.
It's what Mother has said an excerpt: 'NOT ALL WILL LISTEN NOT ALL WILL HEAR BUT FOR THOSE WHO LISTEN AND THOSE WHO HEAR GOD'S WORD WILL SPREAD AND GOD'S CHILDREN WILL COME BRING MY CHILDREN HOME TO ME TO BUILD A KINGDOM OF LOVE AND SERENITY." (Axum, Ethiopia Presence of God Almighty on earth as it is in Heaven)

For those who are non-catholics, The Words from Our Blessed Mother comes directly from God. The Blessed Mother does not say, act or appear anywhere in the world without the Authority By God, The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity.

Oooo...(lightbulb) :) The Words above is a good example based of Faith to what I wrote above.

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The Words above is a good example based of Faith to what I wrote above.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God.
What part of the written word encouraged your faith in Mary as a co redempter.?

I find it impossible to believe that she could have been, as she was like everyone else and was in need of being redeemed from death as well.
Gabriel ( the Angel of redemption) when after speaking to Mary about bearing the unique child-(-from God seed and not death seed of man--), told her to offer the turtle doves , which were sin offerings.
We are all sinners and we all die.

So she wasnt immaculate either according to what is written, but she is according to the traditions of men.

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20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
21 "For this reason some Jews seized me in the temple and tried to put me to death.
22 "So, having obtained help from God, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place;
23 that the Christ was to suffer, and that by reason of His resurrection from the dead He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles."
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The Fifth and Final Marian Dogma

Dear Jeff and Readers:

The Fifth Dogma will be proclaim according to Sanctioned visionaries By Heaven not yet approved by the church. This will announce to the world The Authority given by God The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity to The Blessed Virgin Mary as "Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces, and Advocate."

Yes, faith comes from hearing, but it also comes in other forms, like feelings, feelings from within the hearts soul and mind. I wish one day you and everyone else can feel what I have felt at times, and these are one of those times. :)
It' s like a tickle around your heart that makes you feel joy and happy. Knowing the presence of God through feelings and very seldom hearing. If you ever heard of Rev. Frederick Price. At the beginning of his sermons, his words are, "FOR WE WALK IN FAITH NOT BY SIGHT."


Below comes from a Catholic visionary:
http://www.de-vrouwe.net/english/index.html

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Mary Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, and Avdocate

The prayer and the picture of the Lady and Mother of All Nations are a totally peaceful preparation for the threefold, last Marian dogma which Our Lady asks for in Amsterdam: Mary Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate. The Mother of All Nations promises that this dogma will bring the world true peace.


Why a New Dogma?

From the brochure Origin Messages Significance, 2002 The Lady of All Nations Foundation

Apart from spreading the new Marian title ’the Lady or Mother of All Nations’ and a new prayer, the devotion also encompasses the building of an international church in Amsterdam and the dogmatic proclamation of Mary’s role in Gods redemptive plan as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. It is important to understand this well. The term ‘Coredemptrix’ never intends to take away the uniqueness and universality of Christ’s Mediation, but refers to it and rather shows the strength of it.
The term ‘Coredemptrix’ has a long-standing tradition in the Church. The idea is to be found among Church Fathers, saints and popes. Edith Stein, Maximilian Kolbe, Padre Pio, Mother Teresa and Sr. Lucia from Fatima have strongly advocated it in our times. John Paul II used the term several times. It is interesting that it were the Dutch bishops who in 1943 when entrusting the Dutch people to the protection of Mary, highlighted the title ‘Coredemptrix’ and theologically elaborated on it. The bishops emphasized that only Christ is the Mediator between God and the human being (Cf. 1 Tim 2:5). Everything Mary gives, comes from Him. She is Mediatrix and guardian of her Son’s graces. She intercedes for us with her Son. She is, however, also Coredemptrix because she was instrumental in his work of redemption and participated in it (Cf. Lk 1:38).

Mary’s role, John Paul II says, has its origin in the triune God Himself, “who wanted to bring about and accomplish the great mysteries of the history of salvation by means of the responsible and faithful cooperation of the humble handmaid of Nazareth.” (Pope John Paul II, in an address to the International Colloquium on Mariology, Rome, October 13, 2002) In this way Mary is the image of the Church. In this cooperation a special dimension of the redemption becomes visible that has a direct bearing on us, namely our own participation in the redemption, our own answer to it.

Mgr. J. M. Punt, bishop of Haarlem expressed it as follows: “In essence every human being is called upon to cooperate in the redemption through Christ, in order – as St. Paul writes – ‘to make up in our own body all the sufferings that still have to be undergone by Christ’. All our prayers, sufferings and works become redemptive in as far as the human being is united with Christ, in faith and life (Cf. Salvifici Doloris nr. 25, Pope John Paul II). Mary takes up an unique position in this: her divine motherhood unites her in a supreme way with Him, from the time before his birth till after his death. Conceived without sin, she was created in the original fullness and freedom as God had intended for the human race. That was why she could respond in free surrender to Gods love and redemption on behalf of the human race. As ‘Associate of the Redeemer’ she was predestined to go along the same way as Christ, persevering unto the Cross (Cf. Jn 19:26,27).

Her sorrows merged with his sorrows. Her sacrifice with his sacrifice (Cf. Lumen Gentium 58). Inseparable then, inseparable now. Therefore, as the Church teaches us, she has been taken up to heaven with soul and body. Therefore she is also glorified. This deep union and coredemptive suffering underlie her universal, mediating motherly role.”

The first four marian dogmas focus on Mary’s life and assumption into heaven. The fifth dogma wants to formulate her universal role in God’s redemptive plan now. “Taken up to heaven”, the Vatican Council states, “she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us gifts of eternal salvation.” (Cf. Lumen Gentium 62)

This coredemptive, mediating role of Mary is not a human invention, it is a divine plan, deeply willed by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. By solemnly proclaiming this dogma, the Church gives her free consent to the Redemption and glorifies God Himself in fully recognizing his plan of salvation. This solemn proclamation enables Mary to fully unfold the preeminence of her titles and universal motherhood and to bestow ‘grace, redemption and peace’ to humanity and the world. It is the road to a new ‘Cana’, enabling Mary to touch her Son’s heart and bring about a unique outpouring of the Holy Spirit in our dramatic times. It is the gate to a new evangelization and to true ecumenism in the Third Millennium.
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People have faith in many things...things of the flesh and hearing of God --Heb 11----------As i said, we can define the word of God-to the scriptures,....... Paul stated nothing else, but what those prophets and Moses and the Psalms had already stated. Jesus pointed this out in luke 24.
There is not one word about Mary having the position you says she does. Ill try to explain..




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That was why she could respond in free surrender to Gods love and redemption on behalf of the human race.

She was an ordinary Women, who had a heart for God.

She is perplexed, when the Angel gives her a very warm salutation, about her being blessed.
She answered- if the Angel really knew who she was.....like she had somethin on her conscience.

She had no idea what was going on when the Angel said that she would be with child.....she responded.... How?, since if never been with a man..

She was then told to offer those tirtle doves, which were sin offerings..

She didnt understand years later why Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, and had to come all the way back to find him..
She was a simple beautiful woman thats all...Jesus is the Christ, the one the scriptures point to as the redeemer.

Jesus campared his Mother and his own brothers, equal to all those who believe the truth.




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32 A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You."
33 Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers?"
34 Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! 35 "For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."
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The Fifth Dogma = THE TRIUMPH OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

This is a good example of how denominations are created by humanity, the indifferences of interpretation. We would only be writing words back and forth.

As the pending proclaimation of the Fifth Marian Dogma as Co-Rdemptrix. "Through The Prophesies of The Blessed Virgin Mary" of Fatima, Garbandal and Medjugorje, would probably be the most logical analogy I am able to give as Co-Redemptrix. The Prophecies comes directly from God. The Signs of The Times written in Sacred Scriptures are coming to fulfilment hrough The BVM, By The Power of The Holy Spirit which comes from God The Father and The Son.

The Fifth and Final Marian DOGMA will announce to the world The Authority Given By God To The Blessed Virgin Mary. This is The Triumph of The Immacualte Heart of Mary Spoken of at Fatima! Please kindly ponder The Signs in the orignal posting, which are soon to be fulfilled.

EXAMPLE: In Medjugojre are 6 visionaries since 1981. According to Medhugorje, I believe 4 of the 6 visionaries have recieved all 10 secrets, and when all 10 Secrets has been received by the Visionaries, the apparitions, stigmata, and locutions etc.... throughout the world will ceases. This is also a sign that the time of great events prophesied by THE BVM will begin its fulfillment.

EXAMPLE: Garabandal Visionaries Prophesied "THE WARNING" aka Illumination of Conscience. The Rapture to non-catholics is the same as The Warning.

As I have written...All will be accomplished by The Power of The Holy Spirit The Third person of The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity Through The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje. Heavens Weapons of Peace and Destruction in preparation for the Mass Wave of Conversion of Humanity. The Signs of the Coming Earthqaukes in The Continent of Africa. The Call by the God Of Israel to Be Amongst His Presence at Axum, Ethiopia. The True Faith and The Love of God within Hearts soul and mind.



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People have faith in many things...things of the flesh and hearing of God --Heb 11----------As i said, we can define the word of God-to the scriptures,....... Paul stated nothing else, but what those prophets and Moses and the Psalms had already stated. Jesus pointed this out in luke 24.
There is not one word about Mary having the position you says she does. Ill try to explain..


She was an ordinary Women, who had a heart for God.

She is perplexed, when the Angel gives her a very warm salutation, about her being blessed.
She answered- if the Angel really knew who she was.....like she had somethin on her conscience.

She had no idea what was going on when the Angel said that she would be with child.....she responded.... How?, since if never been with a man..

She was then told to offer those tirtle doves, which were sin offerings..

She didnt understand years later why Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, and had to come all the way back to find him..
She was a simple beautiful woman thats all...Jesus is the Christ, the one the scriptures point to as the redeemer.

Jesus campared his Mother and his own brothers, equal to all those who believe the truth.




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