Ahmadinejad's Christmas Message

[Nu Kua]

Translated transcript and video (on site) of Ahmadinejad's Christmas Message

"In the Name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Upon the anniversary of the birth of Jesus, Son of Mary, the Word of God, the Messenger of mercy, I would like to congratulate the followers of Abrahamic faiths, especially the followers of Jesus Christ, and the people of Britain.

The Almighty created the universe for human beings and human beings for Himself.
He created every human being with the ability to reach the heights of perfection. He called on man to make every effort to live a good life in this world and to work to achieve his everlasting life.

On this difficult and challenging journey of man from dust to the divine, He did not leave humanity to its own devices. He chose from those He created the most excellent as His Prophets to guide humanity.

All Prophets called for the worship of God, for love and brotherhood, for the establishment of justice and for love in human society. Jesus, the Son of Mary, is the standard-bearer of justice, of love for our fellow human beings, of the fight against tyranny, discrimination and injustice.

All the problems that have bedevilled humanity throughout the ages came about because humanity followed an evil path and disregarded the message of the Prophets.

Now as human society faces a myriad of problems and a succession of complex crises, the root causes can be found in humanity's rejection of that message, in particular the indifference of some governments and powers towards the teachings of the divine Prophets, especially those of Jesus Christ.

The crises in society, the family, morality, politics, security and the economy which have made life hard for humanity and continue to put great pressure on all nations have come about because the Prophets have been forgotten, the Almighty has been forgotten and some leaders are estranged from God.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.

If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would fight against the tyrannical policies of prevailing global economic and political systems, as He did in His lifetime. The solution to today's problems is a return to the call of the divine Prophets. The solution to these crises is to follow the Prophets - they were sent by the Almighty for the good of humanity.

Today, the general will of nations is calling for fundamental change. This is now taking place. Demands for change, demands for transformation, demands for a return to human values are fast becoming the foremost demands of the nations of the world. The response to these demands must be real and true. The prerequisite to this change is a change in goals, intentions and directions. If tyrannical goals are repackaged in an attractive and deceptive package and imposed on nations again, the people, awakened, will stand up against them.

Fortunately, today, as crises and despair multiply, a wave of hope is gathering momentum. Hope for a brighter future and hope for the establishment of justice, hope for real peace, hope for finding virtuous and pious rulers who love the people and want to serve them – and this is what the Almighty has promised.

We believe, Jesus Christ will return, together with one of the children of the revered Messenger of Islam and will lead the world to love, brotherhood and justice. The responsibility of all followers of Christ and Abrahamic faiths is to prepare the way for the fulfilment of this divine promise and the arrival of that joyful, shining and wonderful age. I hope that the collective will of nations will unite in the not too distant future and with the grace of the Almighty Lord, that shining age will come to rule the earth.

Once again, I congratulate one and all on the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ. I pray for the New Year to be a year of happiness, prosperity, peace and brotherhood for humanity. I wish you every success and happiness."

[Max]

He keeps saying a world of justice, yet the justice I see his people providing maims and tortures people for the slightest infraction, infractions that the large majority of the world dont recognise :S

[Traveler]

To a large extent this man got it right. The only problem is that we are starting to enter the time when the anti-christ is to make his rise to power.

To achieve that he has to get the idea of the prophets and Christ out of the collective conscience of the people, hence the actions to break down family and religious trends etc.

Keep in mind that this anti-christ will eventually be erecting an image of himself where the second temple stood and demand to be worshipped as God, thus triggering off the great Tribulation.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Max

He keeps saying a world of justice, yet the justice I see his people providing maims and tortures people for the slightest infraction, infractions that the large majority of the world dont recognise :S

The only problem is that you Brits have taken the path where you are to embrace diversity and practice tolerance. Now you end up with Islamic law in your midst because you were too short sighted to grasp that in the NWO you are not likely to be the ones in charge and what you consider the proper way to behave is not acceptable to the majority.

During the hight of the British Empire you guys took the English value system to the rest of the world and they rejected it. What ever entered your collective minds that the rest of the world is going to embrace it now?

[Max]

Tolerance is not some plot of the antireligious or the antichrist, or some big british super villain. Tolerance is the logical result of a society becoming more advanced, more cultured and more sociologically aware. Only ignorant fools and people with severe mental handicaps, handicaps usually drilled into them by religious upbringings lack tolerance. Something you have demonstrated many times with your all pervasive homophobia and pure unadulterated hatred.

Dont talk about the loss of religious values, its people like you who have twisted and manipulated the values set down in your magical books to suit your own hate fueled agendas.

[Cyranothe2nd]

You know, on the one hand I love that Ahmadinejah (as well as Chavez in Venezula) is willing to stand up for himself and speak truth to power, ie that Europe and America are becoming increasingly expansionist.
Too bad that his real agenda is to convert the world into a Islamic super state. And no matter what any apologist says, Islam is a barbaric religion and has no place in the modern world.

[lycanox]

I would take that with a grain of salt. Iran has the tendency to be the direct opposite of what they are pretending to be.

They love to piss of Jews. But they have one of the largest amount of Jews living in their own country.
They deny the Holocaust, but are at the same time proud of their role in rescuing lots of Jews from the Nazi's back then.
Woman are not supposed to shake peoples hands and such, but are allowed to become president.
They hate America, But at the same time they love the American culture.
They strive to be an Islamic state, but at the same time they are far more western than most of middle east and well on their way on making process.
They are against the war in Iraq, while Iran and post war Iraq hated each other more than the Jews hated the Germans after the war.

Besides, by the time Iran is actually ready to spread their Islamic state idea over the world. They would be so secular that it wouldn't even matter.

[Nu Kua]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

Too bad that his real agenda is to convert the world into a Islamic super state.

I've simply not seen evidence of that supposition, and I've been looking for years.
Could there be confusion of his goals with that of some of the more radical, fundamental and outspoken religious clerics of the state?

[Doomer]

Brits have some serious issues. I doubt they have the intelligence or the intestinal fortitude to deal with them effectively. They are showing the US where the path leads. Question is, will the American sheeple wake up in time to see the edge of the abyss or will they follow the Brits over it?

[Max]

What is this abyss? If your gonna make a generalised racist remark like that, be a bit clearer, dont hide behind metaphor...

[Cyranothe2nd]

Originally Posted by Nu Kua

I've simply not seen evidence of that supposition, and I've been looking for years.
Could there be confusion of his goals with that of some of the more radical, fundamental and outspoken religious clerics of the state?

* "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world."
* "The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world."
* "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi."
* "Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."
* "Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world."
* "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.'' 6 [President Ahmadinejad's comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].

Source: http://www.realite-eu.org/site/c.9dJ....BD8D/Home.htm

[lycanox]

Well, like I have stated before.

Iran is far from the country its leaderships claims it to be.
So I wouldn't take those claims that serious.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Max

Tolerance is not some plot of the antireligious or the antichrist, or some big british super villain. Tolerance is the logical result of a society becoming more advanced, more cultured and more sociologically aware. Only ignorant fools and people with severe mental handicaps, handicaps usually drilled into them by religious upbringings lack tolerance. Something you have demonstrated many times with your all pervasive homophobia and pure unadulterated hatred.

Dont talk about the loss of religious values, its people like you who have twisted and manipulated the values set down in your magical books to suit your own hate fueled agendas.

I'm so glad to see that you will not tolerate anybody that does not subscibe to your own personal definition of tolerance!!

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Doomer

Brits have some serious issues. I doubt they have the intelligence or the intestinal fortitude to deal with them effectively. They are showing the US where the path leads. Question is, will the American sheeple wake up in time to see the edge of the abyss or will they follow the Brits over it?

The decision is going to be made for them. They will not be in a position to follow them but for the Brits. There fate is already basically sealed. They will reap what they have sown

[Nu Kua]

Originally Posted by Cyranothe2nd

* "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world."
* "The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world."
* "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi."
* "Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."
* "Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world."
* "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.'' 6 [President Ahmadinejad's comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].

Source: http://www.realite-eu.org/site/c.9dJ....BD8D/Home.htm

Did Memri (or one of its subsidiaries) translate this by any chance?

From Global Research

"Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove...

...Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office...

THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end.

Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Please go to the link I posted for the full story.

More links- disturbingly, less than two months ago I had tons of online resource with detailed information about the antics of MEMRI. I've posted them here. I just searched for all the posts I've made regarding MEMRI to share the information with you, and about half of the web pages have been taken down.
I feared this was going to happen sooner rather than later. We can expect more information to be scrubbed in short order. Luckily I copied key parts of the info here at AO, so there is a chance you will find more info if you do a search of MEMRI here. The reason I am stressing this is that MEMRI actually provided nearly all of the Arabic translations for the Western media, which accepts them without question, even though evidence has proven that their translations have been sketchy at best and in some cases, outright lies.
I am not suggesting Ahmadinejad is without fault or is perfect. He is part of the "old school" conservative class in Iran and chances are he will not be re-elected, since the youth in Iran is up and coming and looking for new ways. Only that I have learned most of words attributed to him in the Western media are mistranslated/misrepresented, and that he is not the pure evil our press works to make him out to be. Also often fundamentally extreme religious clerics often make those crazy statements and people associate them with Ahmadinejad, much like many around the world associated President Bush with the statements and stance of Jerry Falwell, particularly his comments about lesbians, pagans, and the like being the cause of having God punish the U.S. by bringing on 9-11.

Selective Memri

Brian Whitaker investigates whether the 'independent' media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

Another speaker and translator notes the "discrepencies"


MEMRI

[Cartesiantheater]

Originally Posted by Max

What is this abyss? If your gonna make a generalised racist remark like that, be a bit clearer, dont hide behind metaphor...

Since when are Brits a race? Last I checked the word "Brit" no more describes a race than the words "American" or "Canadian" describe a race. I'm not following you, please elaborate, if you will.


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Originally Posted by Traveler

The decision is going to be made for them. They will not be in a position to follow them but for the Brits. There fate is already basically sealed. They will reap what they have sown

How is the decision made "for them" if they are reaping what they have sewn? You can't have your cake and eat it too Traveler!

[Max]

Racism is no longer limited to just "black white yellow", you can be RACIST based on someones nationality. Its just semantics if you say you cant. My point still stands, its blatantly clear what I mean, if you dont understand then reread WITHOUT pseudointellectual semantic foolishness and you will.

[Cyranothe2nd]

Originally Posted by Nu Kua

Did Memri (or one of its subsidiaries) translate this by any chance?

I am not sure of that. The quotes come from a French newspaper.

[Cartesiantheater]

Originally Posted by Max

Racism is no longer limited to just "black white yellow", you can be RACIST based on someones nationality. Its just semantics if you say you cant. My point still stands, its blatantly clear what I mean, if you dont understand then reread WITHOUT pseudointellectual semantic foolishness and you will.

pseudointellectual? Wow.

You ask Doomer to be clearer, but then you use a word that has no place in the sentence you wrote. Do you or do you not want clear, concise dialog? Or is it only okay for you to do it?


The word "racist" has not only a very well defined meaning, it is also well known and commonly used all over the western world according to its well defined and well known definition by the educated and uneducated alike. So, your first point above is flatly wrong. If using a very well known word with its very well known definition is "pseudointellectual," then what would constitute "real" intellectualism?




That is not semantic games, that's you being lazy, or it's you trying to play semantic games yourself to make Doomer's attack seem more vile than it really was. One's nationality is determined BY CHOICE, so it's not even in the same logical category as race. This whole retarded idea of nationalism has caused a whole lot of shit in this world, but people want to keep it going with their idiotic ideas of Patriotism and national pride.

Why are you so defensive about people saying negative things about Brits? I see negative comments about Americans every single day on these forums. Never do I bitch about it, because I don't really care what a bunch of popular culture conformists think. So, why do you care so much if someone insults Brits? Why have you tied your identity so strongly to your country? You'd think at some point you would have overcome the brainwashing you received as a child.

[Max]

Im not defensive, I asked him to be clearer with what hes saying rather than hedge it with metaphors and innuendo. To me, what he said was nonsensical and I couldnt understand what he was getting at, except it being towards Brits. So I asked him to be a bit clearer, maybe im dumb and didnt get his point but in the end what business did YOU have coming in here trying to make me look silly when all I asked for was clarification? So what, I used the word racist semantically wrong, but the meaning behind why I used it was readily apparent to me, to you, to anybody reading it, so whats the big deal?

You have now derailed a thread because you wanted to (as always) appear to be the smart guy. Well done dear fellow.

[Jake99]

Christ is on the Planet today and I approve of President Ahmadinejads Christmas message and the "Letter to Bush" a few years ago.

I wish I could find a way to talk to Mahmoud, he would understand me and my plan to bring everlasting peace and prosperity on Earth. I am the prophet he wants to listen to and I would be greatfull if someone would tell him about me.

[Perfectionist]

Originally Posted by Cyranothe2nd

You know, on the one hand I love that Ahmadinejah (as well as Chavez in Venezula) is willing to stand up for himself and speak truth to power, ie that Europe and America are becoming increasingly expansionist.
Too bad that his real agenda is to convert the world into a Islamic super state. And no matter what any apologist says, Islam is a barbaric religion and has no place in the modern world.

Is that right DumbFuck .....have you ever been to Iran, do you know anything about Islam, do you know any real Muslims ...... nope, you are just Poor White Trash spouting Bullshit

Originally Posted by lycanox

I would take that with a grain of salt. Iran has the tendency to be the direct opposite of what they are pretending to be.

Nope, that is more the policy of Western Powers/Politicians

Besides, by the time Iran is actually ready to spread their Islamic state idea over the world. They would be so secular that it wouldn't even matter.

Iran has no "idea" nor plans to spread an Islamic State all over the World ..... you really should be smarter than that LycaMod

Originally Posted by Doomer

Brits have some serious issues. I doubt they have the intelligence or the intestinal fortitude to deal with them effectively. They are showing the US where the path leads. Question is, will the American sheeple wake up in time to see the edge of the abyss or will they follow the Brits over it?

Huh ?? Britain is over an abyss ?? Where, when ??

Originally Posted by Cyranothe2nd

* "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world."
* "The wave of the Islamist revolution will soon reach the entire world."
* "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi."
* "Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."
* "Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world."
* "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow.'' 6 [President Ahmadinejad's comments on an aircraft crash in Tehran that killed 108 people in December 2005].

Source: http://www.realite-eu.org/site/c.9dJ....BD8D/Home.htm

Utter garbage from a Propaganda website

[Cartesiantheater]

Originally Posted by Max

Im not defensive, I asked him to be clearer with what hes saying rather than hedge it with metaphors and innuendo. To me, what he said was nonsensical and I couldnt understand what he was getting at, except it being towards Brits. So I asked him to be a bit clearer, maybe im dumb and didnt get his point but in the end what business did YOU have coming in here trying to make me look silly when all I asked for was clarification? So what, I used the word racist semantically wrong, but the meaning behind why I used it was readily apparent to me, to you, to anybody reading it, so whats the big deal?

You have now derailed a thread because you wanted to (as always) appear to be the smart guy. Well done dear fellow.

Or maybe because I thought Doomer needed some /b/lackup?







* now that's racist

[Max]

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