9-11 Oddities

I'm a little surprised to not see a 9-11 thread. The more I've read about this recently, the more I've come to doubt the "official story" that airliner crashes could cause the collapse of both towers as well as WTC-7 later in the day.

So much about the events are unexplained. A jet fuel fire is nowhere near hot enough to melt (or even weaken) steel enough to cause a collapse. Never before in history has a steel-framed skyscraper collapsed due to fire. And the WTC did not just collapse, it was pulverized into fine particles of dust and tiny bits of metal. A gravity-caused collapse would almost certainly not cause the buildings to implode (like WTC) and certainly would not pulverize the entire contents of a 100+ story building. Then there were some kind of fires burning in the rubble for over 3 months! On top of this, all the rubble was hauled away pronto with minimal or no investigation. WTC-7's collapse is even more suspicious, it collapsed for no reason like a perfectly controlled demolition.

And this doesn't even touch on the Pentagon attack, which is equally flawed by the standard explanation.

I'm curious if anyone else has opinions on this, here are some interesting sites:
http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://www.911review.org/index.shtml

[MacRasta]

Like Micky says so lovely .... Click the link, dammit!!

Pentagon

Mac

[lotrfan55345]

I wonder how much this "penta lawn" would cost... I hope it is maintinance free too!

[Marajadex]

If any shred of this is true... Well you decide....

http://www.realality.net/911/

http://www.letsroll911.org/

[MetalMilitia]

9/11 Laws of Physics
http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...read.php?t=504

Mystery of Flight 77 Pentagon crash - where's the Boeing???
http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...read.php?t=507

WTC 911 and the reasons why we are at war...
http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...read.php?t=500

Feel free to read 'em and bump one of them back to the top if you wish

-MM-

[Marajadex]

Thanks MM. I will have to take some time to read all this. Some of it I have heard before. I suppose I was having a hard time putting all the pieces together for myself. The more I see the more I can't avoid the thought that... could we really have done this to ourselvs??? It just makes me heartsick. Thank you again for the information on the other posts.

hmmmmmmmmm.... I smell censorship.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...sure_disney_dc

[Chrisboe4ever]

That wasn't a very good picture of Micheal they used in that link.

[Red Shift]

Zed i read your post this morning and it got me thinking (yes,yes it did hurt for a while) Anyway i have often thought that the 9-11 could have been planed. So all you have to do is let these planes crash into it and then after a while press the button and all the hidden explosives will go off, and of course no one is going to start an inverstigation because cause of colapse was obvious! Wasn't it?

Perhaps the "Hijackers" were promised that there family would be very well looked after if they would crash these planes and they would also be in one of the worlds most spectacular (although terrible) "stage acts" of all time.

It is a great shame that innocent people had to get caught up in all this!

Also notice the black boxes of the planes were skillfully disconected so the identity of the hijackers was and will never be known.

I do think this was all planed for a reason!

And just in case anyone is wondering about documentaries that they have seen talking about this as a real terrorist attack and that the planes did acctually cause the WTC to collapse, just think about this.....who makes the documentaries???

[MetalMilitia]

A must read

An Interesting Day:
President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...estingday.html

[Red Shift]

Does anyone else think of 9-11 as interesting??????

Maybe i got the wrong picture, but INTERESTING?????

[MetalMilitia]

Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.

Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.

Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,

The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.

Full story:
http://www.rense.com/general39/points.htm

-MM-

[MetalMilitia]

Those whacky Canadians...

Does anyone realise that 63% of Canadians Believe U.S. Had Prior Knowledge of 9/11 Attacks and Did Nothing

Most Canadians believe the U.S. Government knew that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were coming ? and did not act to prevent them, a poll released today indicates. When asked about the following statement, 63% of Canadians agreed that ?Individuals within the U.S. Government including the White House had prior knowledge of the plans for the events of September 11th, and failed to take appropriate action to stop them?.

Additionally, 16% of Canadians believe that individuals within the U.S. Government were involved in the planning and execution of the events of September 11th.

http://www.911inquiry.org/911PollResults.htm

-MM-

[Dilandau]

Yet annother act watched by the Time Masters: if you count the Verses in the Torah from since Gensis 1.1 to Verse of the number of the day of the year of 11.9., then you end up in a sentence mentioning Sodom and Gommora (twin cities that will be destroyed later) just before there, some 11 or 12 verses later, starts genesis chapter 11 with the story of the tower of Babel.

The Torah has significant relation to world calendars:

http://otaku.onlinehome.de/atlantis.gif
http://otaku.onlinehome.de/gaea.html

The colors appear to be in place for the chakras.

More like this on my pages:

http://otaku.onlinehome.de/torah.html
http://otaku.onlinehome.de/gematria.html

[MacRasta]

Another Pentagon crash theory

Mac

[stewey]

Those sites were really far fetched. Those pictures were very very poor quality, and I did not even see a missile. Those "missiles" were more than likely a jet engine. The thought Bush would fake 9/11 is really quite absurd.

[MetalMilitia]

I dismiss most of those sites, but I do look at the pentagon crash site and wonder where that beoing went. If you want something more realistic about 9/11 here ya go. The Canadians don't hold back their thoughts, thats for sure.

Poking holes in the official story of 9/11

Citizens can choose to buy the official line on the events of Sept. 11, 2001 ? or they can ask questions about holes in that story as big as the crater at Ground Zero.

This week, at the unlikeliest of locations, the Ukrainian Cultural Centre in west-end Toronto, the International Citizens' Inquiry into 9/11 picks up where it left off in San Francisco in March.

Here, international authors, filmmakers, academics, military and intelligence experts as well as, yes, probably the occasional conspiracy theorist, are mixing it up with ordinary people who can't accept that all the systems simply failed on one terrible and tragic morning.

They're gathering to focus attention on why, still, nearly three years after two planes tore through the World Trade Center, one crashed into the Pentagon and a fourth into a Pennsylvania field, the White House still hasn't produced a plausible explanation for why so much went so wrong all at once.

"To ask questions and to ask them fearlessly," says Citizens' Inquiry director Barrie Zwicker. "This is the heart of this."

Indeed, a majority of Canadians doubt the line out of Washington. A poll conducted for the non-profit inquiry (http://www.911inquiry.org) this month shows that 63 per cent of us believe the U.S. government had "prior knowledge of the plans for the events of September 11th, and failed to take appropriate action to stop them."

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...3D970599119419

So why does no one in the US touch the fact that there ARE these gaps in the time line, discrepencies in stories, and all the other stuff that has piled up? Oh that's right, we're unpatriotic if we don't eat every word that is spoon fed to us.

-MM-

[MacRasta]

Those sites were really far fetched. Those pictures were very very poor quality, and I did not even see a missile. Those "missiles" were more than likely a jet engine

I'm not saying this is true, I'm just trying to say that people have wild imaginations.

Mac

[MetalMilitia]

Canadians aren't afraid to talk about itm maybe the US should look more into it.

A mass movement and a mountain of disturbing evidence has been growing beneath the radar of U.S. media. The U.S. media (including alternative media) has done an extraordinarily superhuman job of "hearing" "seeing" and "speaking no evil." However, almost immediately after 9-11-2001's horrendous attacks on New York and Washington D.C., many researchers, ordinary citizens, and journalists [who've been given precious little print in U.S. papers or TV] began to smell something rotten . . . not in Denmark . . . but rather, right here in the good ol' US of A.

This movement's early roots began when many people scratched their heads in wonder at "how 4 commercial jet liners could fly hijacked for nearly an hour and a half the morning of 9-11, without any Air Force fighter interceptor jets turning a wheel until it was too late," as stated by acclaimed Canadian TV journalist, Barry Zwicker. Zwicker's powerful documentary "The Great Deception," which suggests top Bush Admin. officials were likely complicit in the 9-11 attacks, aired on Canada's Vision TV network which is viewed by millions of Canadians. Unfortunately Americans in the U.S. have been "protected" from viewing this critical documentary.

Researchers, like Zwicker and others, quickly learned that in 2001 before the 9-11 attacks 62 aircraft had been intercepted by Air Force fighter interceptor jets, and usually within 10 to 15 minutes of going off course. [http://septembereleventh.org/airdefense.php] Yet bizarrely, on 9-11 four commercial jets were hijacked off course for about one and a half hours before the last one crashed into the most highly protected building in the world (the Pentagon). . . yet no interceptor jet intercepted it in all that time. Alarm bells went off with citizens across the U.S. and the world. A number of people including former NYPD detective, Frank Serpico (played by Al Pacino in the movie about his life as an NYPD whistleblower exposing corruption at the New York Police Department), began to express a suspicion of the "official 9-11 story" during a whistleblower awards ceremony nationally televised on C-SPAN.

Then other issues came to light regarding 9-11, and foreknowledge of the attacks. For example, a former Los Angeles Police Detective named Michael Ruppert noted that outrageously high volumes of insider trading on United and American Airlines stocks prior to 9-11, (reported on by CBS, Bloomberg and other financial papers) actually had some strange ties to the Central Intelligence Agency. 9/11-related insider trading was worldwide. It occurred on markets in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Chicago, New York, London and Berlin. Estimates of the total amount of insider trades have ranged from the hundred of millions (CBS), to the billions (Ernst Weltke ? Chief of the Bundesbank), to the tens of billions (Andreas von Bülow, former German cabinet minister).

http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/cont...7/oped/911.php

[FactsOverFiction]

http://www.republicanandproud.com/larryrebuttal.htm

[Marajadex]

"The Great Deception," which suggests top Bush Admin. officials were likely complicit in the 9-11 attacks,

Amazing how this all happens during the current Bush Administration.
During the Regan/Bush Admins we got Iran/Contra And the Columbian Drug cartel...
During the Nixion Admin we had Watergate...

by comparison...

During the Carter Admin we got "I lusted in my heart".
and
During the Clinton Admin we got "Hummers" under the desk.

:a little sarcasim here:
Maybe it just has to do with presidents who's last name begins with a "C"?

:Seriously Now:
This is a scary thing.....

[MetalMilitia]

The Silence Surrounding Building 7

The American Public was treated to wall-to-wall television coverage of the September 11th attack throughout the day and for nearly the entire following week. Yet most Americans remember only two skyscrapers collapsing in Lower Manhattan on the day of the attack: the Twin Towers. The total collapse of the third huge skyscraper late in the afternoon of September 11th was reported as if it were an insignificant footnote. The television networks played video of the jets impacting the Twin Towers hundreds of times. But most people never saw video of Building 7's collapse.

Building 7 was neither hit by an airplane nor heavy fallout from the collapse of either of the Twin Towers. If you believe the official story that it collapsed from fires, it would be the first case in history in which fires leveled a steel frame building. Shouldn't that have been newsworthy, given its implications for building safety and rescue and firefighting operations? Incredibly, it is virtually impossible to find any mention of building 7 in newspapers, magazines, or broadcast media reports after September 11th.

http://www.wtc7.net

-MM-

[stewey]

Well, fire would cause a collapse of a building. Fire melts steel support, building falls. Those sites are way too far fetched and conspiracy laden. Put your tin foil hat away

[MetalMilitia]

What's the melting point of steel?

Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). Now in the WTC towers this was not "flimsy" material.

I try not to think about a fire burning , just getting hotter and hotter until it reached 1538 degrees Celsius (2800 Fahrenheit) and melted the steel (steel is about 99% iron;

for melting points of iron and steel, see http://www.webelements.com/webelemen...t/Fe/heat.html ,
http://www.weldtechnology.com/rwintroduction.html or: http://public-action.com/911/jmcm/rwintroduction.html )

What in WTC 7 would cause a fire to burn that hot?

-MM-

[MetalMilitia]

Fine, no one wants to touch it

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

Controlled Demolition?